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God of Abraham, Moses, Josef
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I believe in Mary, Mother of God. Miriam of Nazareth
And in Jesus, her Son.
And in Jesus, her Son.
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
The four abrahamic religions, judaism, islam, christianity and bahai believe in the one God, the creator of the universe. God of Abraham, Joseph, Moses .
The Jews descended from Isaac, son of Abraham by Sarah; the Muslims descended from Ishmael, son of Abraham by Hagar; the Christians spiritually descended from Jesus who came from the lineage of David who came all the way from the descendants of Abraham.
The four great monotheistic religions differ in their rituals, ceremonies and observances, but they worship the same God, creator of the universe. He is Yahweh, Allah, God.
Do you agree or disagree?
The Jews descended from Isaac, son of Abraham by Sarah; the Muslims descended from Ishmael, son of Abraham by Hagar; the Christians spiritually descended from Jesus who came from the lineage of David who came all the way from the descendants of Abraham.
The four great monotheistic religions differ in their rituals, ceremonies and observances, but they worship the same God, creator of the universe. He is Yahweh, Allah, God.
Do you agree or disagree?
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Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Yes
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I am norwegian. In norwegian his name is Josef
I do agree the all four believe in a Universal Creator, God.
That detail brings them together.
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RabbiO
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@Starlight
Just curious why beyond Abraham you listed particularly Joseph, Moses and David?
Just curious why beyond Abraham you listed particularly Joseph, Moses and David?
Starlight
Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I chose to write Joseph, Moses and David because those were the names I remembered
RabbiO
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Got it.
RabbiO
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@Starlight
While on one level it could be said that Muslims, Christians, Baha’is and Jews believe in the same G-d, hence the term that I’m not particularly fond of - Abrahamic religions, on another level it could be argued that certain variances between beliefs and understandings held by the different groups about G-d are discordant enough to raise questions as to whether they actually do believe in the same G-d.
While on one level it could be said that Muslims, Christians, Baha’is and Jews believe in the same G-d, hence the term that I’m not particularly fond of - Abrahamic religions, on another level it could be argued that certain variances between beliefs and understandings held by the different groups about G-d are discordant enough to raise questions as to whether they actually do believe in the same G-d.
What do you see as an issue with the term "Abrahamic religions," if you don't mind sharing? I'm asking this not to disagree or debate but out of curiosity—especially because I've seen objections to it from some Muslims on the grounds that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are divine religions, not created by Abraham. I find this understandable from an Islamic viewpoint (which is the theology I'm most familiar with), although I use the term as a secular grouping of said religions.
Apart from echoing the thoughts of @RabbiO I think that even if your statement is true it is refuted by a simple 'So what?' As these religions are in my view irreconcilably different without either ignoring or glossing over the contradictions in them.
Honestly, I believe that differences are a value.
The all four must respect each other. Nobody has the right to impose their own religion on others.
Just because they have some similarities.
Differences are a value and must be highlighted.
For instance, in Christianity there is no such a thing as the separation between Christians and non-Christians. In soteriology, that separation doesn't exist. The separation is between the wicked and the just. Matthew 13:49
There are wicked Christians and just Christians. A wicked Christian is bad. A good non-Christian is just.
You can also see it in the Divine Comedy: in Inferno, there are so many churchmen and popes. Christians, who were wicked.
And in Paradise you will see so many non-Christians, including Rahab, the woman from Jericho.
It's love that saves us.
That is unique and I guess it's not to be found in any other Abrahamic religion.
The all four must respect each other. Nobody has the right to impose their own religion on others.
Just because they have some similarities.
Differences are a value and must be highlighted.
For instance, in Christianity there is no such a thing as the separation between Christians and non-Christians. In soteriology, that separation doesn't exist. The separation is between the wicked and the just. Matthew 13:49
There are wicked Christians and just Christians. A wicked Christian is bad. A good non-Christian is just.
You can also see it in the Divine Comedy: in Inferno, there are so many churchmen and popes. Christians, who were wicked.
And in Paradise you will see so many non-Christians, including Rahab, the woman from Jericho.
It's love that saves us.
That is unique and I guess it's not to be found in any other Abrahamic religion.
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Ebionite
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The question of the nature of the deity of those religions can be answered by examining the role that the deity has in the crucifixion. On that basis they're clearly not all the same. The individual religions share the same prophets (although of course the interpretations vary), so if there's an objective way of finding the message of the prophets then the reason for the apparently different deities should become clear.
As an outsider looking in, it sometimes doesn't seem to me that Abrahamic religions are worshiping the same god. Some of their traditions are soft monotheism, some of them are hard monotheism, and the way they do rituals and speaking about their god is often so different. I don't know that they are all really pointing at the same thing when their god is so divorced from nature and the universe. It is easier in Paganism when if you worship Sun, we all literally see the same Sun up there in the sky. How do you know it is the same god when you cannot see it with your own eyes or experience it directly? I don't have a good answer. It's something polytheists wrestle with as well for the gods we honor that don't have a strictly physical presence.
RabbiO
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You, as well as others, may find this of interest.
The Idea of Abrahamic Religions: A Qualified Dissent
The attempt to treat the Abraham of Genesis as the founder of a religion is a fundamental error—what he founds is not a religion, but a family.
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You, as well as others, may find this of interest.
The Idea of Abrahamic Religions: A Qualified Dissent
The attempt to treat the Abraham of Genesis as the founder of a religion is a fundamental error—what he founds is not a religion, but a family.
Thank you! This is an interesting and informative read.