God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[BilliardsBall]

Except that if there was such an "universal" flood as you believe, then there would be massive amount of evidences for such flood everywhere in the world, to single point in time.

There are no such evidences in that instance of time in any part of 10,000 years history of man.

You are speculating, nothing more, nothing less, that such a flood has occurred. There have always floods occurring each year, some larger than others, but none of show evidences of that as described as the bible, in which it wiped out all those except the survivors in the ark.

And you are further speculating about Genesis flood, by that there were volcanoes and earthquakes, but none of that is remotely hinted at in the 2 chapters of Genesis. It mentioned no sea, only rain and water coming directly from the ground, so it doesn't say anything about tsunami.

And you are forgetting that if there were earthquakes and volcanic activities to go with the global flood, there would also be tonnes of evidences that there were quakes and volcanic eruptions to go with the flood at one specific point in time...but guess what, BilliardsBall, there are no such evidences.

If quakes and volcanic activities were the cause of the global flood, then there would be conclusive evidences in every parts of the world, all pointing to a single year of global apocalyptic event. But no scientists, no geologists and no anthropologists have ever been able to dated such an apocalypse.

If there were quakes, volcanoes and flood, all happening globally as you claim, then in what year did all this happen, BilliardsBall?

All you are doing is just making things up, but with no evidences to show for it. That's not science, that's not history, it just your spinning your pseudoscience circular reasoning.

You mean like writings about what happened?

You mean like a massive flood would not wash away/destroy but leave evidences of all kinds of pre-Flood civilization?

You mean like "pre-history" in Wikipedia is about 6,000 years old since men simply did not write documents prior to the Flood or they were washed away?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Only in those rocks close enough to be directly affected by the impact (i.e. breaking them open and making them susceptible to gaining or losing isotopic material). Rocks far from the impact would not be affected and geologists have ways of knowing whether a sample is contaminated or not anyway.

The dating is taken in part from atmospheric isotopes--X is in the sky, so Y in the rocks indicates date Z.

If you have a sincere interest, take a look at the white papers and other documents out there calling to question these very issues.

 

[metis]

As long as we both stand in recognition that the differing types of dating methodology all require uniform assumptions regarding the ancient Earth. Again, a catastrophism could alter the amounts of quite a number of isotropes in the atmosphere and etc. And again, I think the fact that years are required of study to learn how to tweak radiometric readings is telling.

So, nuclear physicists are supposedly ignorant since they supposedly don't take any of this in consideration?

 

[metis]

You mean like a massive flood would not wash away/destroy but leave evidences of all kinds of pre-Flood civilization?

How do you know there was such a massive flood? What is your source? Do you think the authors of the scriptures actually such a flood?

By chance, are you aware at all of the traditional Jewish use of allegory, metaphors, parables, symbolic terms and numbers, etc. that are extensively used throughout the scriptures?

 

[gnostic]

You mean like "pre-history" in Wikipedia is about 6,000 years old since men simply did not write documents prior to the Flood or they were washed away?

Your only sources come from myths, which the Iron Age (1st millennium BCE) Hebrews had borrowed from the Babylonians, who in turn borrowed from the Akkadians, who in their borrow from the Sumerian flood myth of river flood.

You have no other sources, and none of them are reliable. You can quote Wikipedia all you want, but there were no evidences that a Flood occurring other than your wishful thinking.

Geological evidences of flood don't vanished into thin air.

Flood always leave trace, but none of them are global, whether it be 6000 years ago, or 4340 years ago (or 4000 and 2340 BCE, respectively).

And if we are to believe in the estimate of time from the Bible, then a flood occurring 6000 years ago, would put Jesus living in around 2000 BCE, when there were no Israel, no Roman, no Herod or Pontius Pilate, because you would have to push everything back in the time, when Moses could exist.

But go ahead, date it the Flood to 6000 years ago. You only make your claim sounds even more pseudoscience nonsense.

 

[BilliardsBall]

How do you know there was such a massive flood? What is your source? Do you think the authors of the scriptures actually such a flood?

By chance, are you aware at all of the traditional Jewish use of allegory, metaphors, parables, symbolic terms and numbers, etc. that are extensively used throughout the scriptures?

Yes, I'm aware that there are four Jewish ways to interpret scripture, with only one of those ways being the text as it reads. However, someone identified over 40 markers in Gen 6:9 indicating a universal and not a local Flood.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Your only sources come from myths, which the Iron Age (1st millennium BCE) Hebrews had borrowed from the Babylonians, who in turn borrowed from the Akkadians, who in their borrow from the Sumerian flood myth of river flood.

You have no other sources, and none of them are reliable. You can quote Wikipedia all you want, but there were no evidences that a Flood occurring other than your wishful thinking.

Geological evidences of flood don't vanished into thin air.

Flood always leave trace, but none of them are global, whether it be 6000 years ago, or 4340 years ago (or 4000 and 2340 BCE, respectively).

And if we are to believe in the estimate of time from the Bible, then a flood occurring 6000 years ago, would put Jesus living in around 2000 BCE, when there were no Israel, no Roman, no Herod or Pontius Pilate, because you would have to push everything back in the time, when Moses could exist.

But go ahead, date it the Flood to 6000 years ago. You only make your claim sounds even more pseudoscience nonsense.

There are thousands of scientists who are also true believers. There is good evidence that a Flood occurred. Moses would exist circa 2,000 BCE. People living a long time and having lots of children would help--and these children all (over 120 ancient cultures) teach a Flood as judgment with few saved from it.

 

[outhouse]

Moses would exist circa 2,000 BCE.

Moses is said to be a literary creation, by al credible accounts.

There is good evidence that a Flood occurred.

There is no evidence what so ever.

Only in those who refuse academia and all education.

 

[gnostic]

There are thousands of scientists who are also true believers. There is good evidence that a Flood occurred.

The numbers of believers don't make the flood - "true" or "scientifically true" - BilliardsBall.

Haven't you learn anything yet about science, since you have started posting in the science and religion topics or the creation vs evolution forums. Science REQUIRES EVIDENCES for any events to be true.

You have been claiming that the Flood have wiped out all evidences...which is bloody convenient for creationists, but then you went on to claim that there were global earthquakes and volcanic activities, but still think the global flood wash away the evidences.

If it was all "globally", then evidences would be there, and everywhere in the world, that the flood, quakes and volcanoes would have occurred at a very specific in date and time. Scientists should be able to pinpoint at the exact date.

But you are saying that there are no evidences, which mean science cannot verify that global flood had occurred.

If scientists, whom you call the "true believers" of the bible, then how can any of them claim the Noah's Flood without a single physical evidence.

Any scientist who would try to say the Genesis flood did occur globally, without any physical evidence for other scientists, would be basing their claims on their personal beliefs and faiths, and not on science.

Belief is not what make anything true. So any number of believers that you have claimed to be scientists, doesn't make what they believe to be "science".

What you are claiming is actually PSEUDOSCIENCE, not science, because you cannot provide evidences for what you believe in.

 

[outhouse]

The numbers of believers don't make the flood - "true" or "scientifically true"

Nor credible, I have seen some scientist laughing at their pseudoscientific faith based conclusions.

 

[gnostic]

Moses would exist circa 2,000 BCE. People living a long time and having lots of children would help--and these children all (over 120 ancient cultures) teach a Flood as judgment with few saved from it.

Have you done the calculation on the numbers of years in the OT?

If Moses left Egypt in 2000 BCE, then that mean the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of Solomon's temple would have occurred in about 1110 BCE, not in 586 BCE.

It would also mean that Jesus would have been born in 530 BCE, not in 6 BCE, well before the time of Augustus, Herod, Quirinius, or that of Tiberius and Pontius Pilate during his ministry in Galilee and Judaea.

Much of the bible is terribly inaccurate, but we do know archaeologically and historically when the destruction of Jerusalem had fallen to Nebuchadnezzar II during 6th century BCE.

And your date between the flood and Moses' exodus is far wider than the calculated numbers of years between Genesis and Exodus.

You really should do the maths, before bring up any date, BilliardsBall. Do you care to revise your date to Moses' exodus? Or that of flood?

 

[Parsimony]

The dating is taken in part from atmospheric isotopes--X is in the sky, so Y in the rocks indicates date Z.

Uranium-lead dating puts the Earth's age at 4.54 billion years old and it does not require any measurements of isotopes in the atmosphere: uranium-lead dating depends on measuring isotopic abundances of uranium and lead.

 

[outhouse]

Why even debate religion if you will refuse scientific facts because you believe ancient mythology actually took place?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Moses is said to be a literary creation, by al credible accounts.

I would like to see your reference for this?

 

[outhouse]

I would like to see your reference for this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

While the general narrative of the Exodus and the conquest of the Promised Land may be remotely rooted in historical events, the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated

The exodus is a myth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

The Exodus (from Greek ἔξοδος exodos, "going out") is the founding myth of Israel

 

[Ben Dhyan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

While the general narrative of the Exodus and the conquest of the Promised Land may be remotely rooted in historical events, the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated

The exodus is a myth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

The Exodus (from Greek ἔξοδος exodos, "going out") is the founding myth of Israel

I see where you are coming from and don't generally disagree, but would just make two points. First is that Wiki entries can not be considered scholarly because any registered user can edit, even though they may draw on and reference scholarly papers. Secondly, while much of the narrative of Exodus concerning Moses may not be able to be substantiated, it does not disprove the existence of a Moses at that time who played some role in the events covered, no matter not the epic one described. This is probably true for much of the bible for it is not meant to be primarily a history book. Also true for all the mythological, midrashic, allegorical, metaphorical, analogical, etc, narratives of the religions of the world.

 

[outhouse]

First is that Wiki entries can not be considered scholarly because any registered user can edit,

But it actually gives all sides of the academic viewpoints.


With the Canaanite origins of proto Israelites, it leaves no room for a historical core that could ever resemble the biblical character.

 

[psychoslice]

God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!........my god that is a vain wish if I have ever heard of one.

 

[outhouse]

it does not disprove the existence of a Moses

Sure it does.

No exodus, no Moses. No Egyptian origin, no Moses.

Writing from the exile that only reflects theology of that time period, means no Moses.

Monotheism did not start until King Josiah's reforms after 622BC, which took hundreds of years for all the people to accept, means no Moses.

The Israelite cultures were polytheistic until roughly 200-400 BC before monotheism was fully seated. They were wiped out so many times and many different Semitic cultures made up these groups, when they wrote their history, they had no idea of their real origins.

They only knew what happened since the last time they were oppressed, which was the story of their existence.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

But it actually gives all sides of the academic viewpoints.


With the Canaanite origins of proto Israelites, it leaves no room for a historical core that could ever resemble the biblical character.

Sure it does, all sides...but there is always room for doubt...except for the totally brainwashed...