God rejection?

[Kenny]

Naw. There isnt such a thing. We sometimes say "thats like chinese" idiom to say we dont know what he heck youre talking about. Dont ask where we got that from. A lot of religious and racial slurs in the States.

When we use it, it isn't a slur. We use it just to denote that the application and understanding is only for Christians.

Like, "I'm born again"! Tell that to someone in the jungles of Africa and they wouldn't have a clue about what you are talking about

All in good fun.

 

[BilliardsBall]

If Jesus is God he did not give hisall.

Jesus became our sin. Meditating on this, He had hematidrosis. What else was missing, do you think?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Jesus became our sin. Meditating on this, He had hematidrosis. What else was missing, do you think?

English.

 

[Falvlun]

You are 100% right if faith means "Blind trust" rather than "Trust when one has good, sounds reasons to trust".

I trust Jesus, not blindly/invisibly, but with good reason.

You probably do have good reasons for your belief. Most people do.

But these are likely subjective reasons. Such as “Christianity makes me a better person” or “These are the beliefs that I was raised in” or “My religion comforts me, helps me make sense of life.”

But I think it’s unlikely that you have objective reasons for believing the Christian story specifically. There is little to no evidence that corroborates it. You must take it on faith that it is true.

 

[Nakosis]

Does the God of Jesus Christ reject you? Or do you reject the God of Jesus Christ? Reject meaning to refuse to recognize, (allow,) acquiesce in, submit to, or adopt, (the primary English OED meaning of “reject”).

I suppose what I reject is that anyone has any real knowledge about him. If he did, the factual person who was the archetype for Jesus, I don't think he'd recognize the image that folks create in their head about who he was, what he looked like. Do you know Jesus? You don't know Jesus, just some concept you carry around in you head.

So I don't reject you going about believe in some concept of God you carry around in your head. I reject your concept of God needing to have anything to do with reality.

 

[Shad]

Does the God of Jesus Christ reject you? Or do you reject the God of Jesus Christ? Reject meaning to refuse to recognize, (allow,) acquiesce in, submit to, or adopt, (the primary English OED meaning of “reject”).

Neither. I reject the claims about this specific God as true.

 

[`mud]

Jesus preached the words of forgivness and rejected no-one
`God` rejected those that did not accept Jesus, it says in scripture.
Did Jesus on his `cross` reject `God` ? Did he question `God's` purpose ?
I remain, as usual, confused ! To reject or not...that is the question !
Do no harm and wish for acceptance if I'm wrong, otherwise, join the Cosmos !

 

[BilliardsBall]

English.

You said if Jesus was God, He didn't give His all on the cross for us. Jesus sweat blood just anticipating the cross. What do you think might have been lacking?

 

[BilliardsBall]

You probably do have good reasons for your belief. Most people do.

But these are likely subjective reasons. Such as “Christianity makes me a better person” or “These are the beliefs that I was raised in” or “My religion comforts me, helps me make sense of life.”

But I think it’s unlikely that you have objective reasons for believing the Christian story specifically. There is little to no evidence that corroborates it. You must take it on faith that it is true.

But is such faith reasonable or unreasonable (blind or rational)?

I was able to verify prophecies fulfilled, by looking to history and archaeology outside the Bible. I was likewise able to see the Bible has the most pithy statements on relationships, money, the human condition . . . I could also see the love of Christ upon reading. I made a difficult choice, a thoughtful choice (lost friends and family as I knew I would) and a rational choice. Not much faith involved by the time of conversion!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You said if Jesus was God, He didn't give His all on the cross for us. Jesus sweat blood just anticipating the cross. What do you think might have been lacking?

The whole idea of tortuting one person for the "sins" of another is unjust and insane to begin with. It's impossible to say what a reasonable amount of suffering would be to atone for the sins of humanity when the very idea of atonement through suffering is unreasonable.

 

[Falvlun]

But is such faith reasonable or unreasonable (blind or rational)?

I was able to verify prophecies fulfilled, by looking to history and archaeology outside the Bible. I was likewise able to see the Bible has the most pithy statements on relationships, money, the human condition . . . I could also see the love of Christ upon reading. I made a difficult choice, a thoughtful choice (lost friends and family as I knew I would) and a rational choice. Not much faith involved by the time of conversion!

I’m sure it was thoughtful and reasoned. But, besides the verification of prophecies (which is problematic as they tend to be vague and susceptible to bias), those are subjective reasons.

I don’t think faith means that the belief is unreasonable. I think it means that the belief cannot be verified by objective measures. I don’t think faith is necessarily a bad thing— subjective reasons are still reasonable— but I think it’s important to keep that in mind when trying to convince others. An objective reason should appeal to the rationality of everyone; by subjective reasoning will necessarily only appeal to the rationality of some.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You said if Jesus was God, He didn't give His all on the cross for us. Jesus sweat blood just anticipating the cross. What do you think might have been lacking?

Do you believe that he really "sweat blood" or that that was just a phrase? If he was human it would be natural to show fear. If he was God he had nothing to fear. If Jesus did exist he had the reactions of a man because he was a man.

 

[Cacotopia]

I don't really think about it, or I haven't thought about it in a couple decades.

 

[BilliardsBall]

The whole idea of tortuting one person for the "sins" of another is unjust and insane to begin with. It's impossible to say what a reasonable amount of suffering would be to atone for the sins of humanity when the very idea of atonement through suffering is unreasonable.

You have a strong sense of fairness, of morality. Did this evolve, do you think?

Is it "unjust and insane" when I step in front of a bus for you, or is it an act of selflessness?

 

[BilliardsBall]

I’m sure it was thoughtful and reasoned. But, besides the verification of prophecies (which is problematic as they tend to be vague and susceptible to bias), those are subjective reasons.

I don’t think faith means that the belief is unreasonable. I think it means that the belief cannot be verified by objective measures. I don’t think faith is necessarily a bad thing— subjective reasons are still reasonable— but I think it’s important to keep that in mind when trying to convince others. An objective reason should appeal to the rationality of everyone; by subjective reasoning will necessarily only appeal to the rationality of some.

Subjectively speaking, I've found the Bible is perfect, true and astonishing in its scope and power. Belief cannot be 100% verified by objective measures, but neither can anything, technically speaking. I trust God more than I trust even myself--God is consistent, true, honest--and fulfills prophecy, etc. The resurrection of Christ is reasonable.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You have a strong sense of fairness, of morality. Did this evolve, do you think?

Yes, actually.

Is it "unjust and insane" when I step in front of a bus for you, or is it an act of selflessness?

To see the injustice and insanity, consider things from the perspective of the driver of the bus... who would be your analogy's equivalent to God.

If a bus driver decided that, because I had wronged him in some way, he was going to speed his bus around the city until he ran somebody down, doesn't matter who... then yes, that would be insane. It would also have nothing to do with justice.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Do you believe that he really "sweat blood" or that that was just a phrase? If he was human it would be natural to show fear. If he was God he had nothing to fear. If Jesus did exist he had the reactions of a man because he was a man.

I gave you the medical term for perspiring blood and you returned, "English".

Hematidrosis, also called blood sweat, is a very rare condition in which a human sweats blood. The term is from Ancient Greek haîma/haímatos (αἷμα/αἵματος), meaning blood, and hīdrṓs (ἱδρώς), meaning sweat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I gave you the medical term for perspiring blood and you returned, "English".

Hematidrosis, also called blood sweat, is a very rare condition in which a human sweats blood. The term is from Ancient Greek haîma/haímatos (αἷμα/αἵματος), meaning blood, and hīdrṓs (ἱδρώς), meaning sweat.

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[syo]

God rejects humans who dont follow him

Humans who don't follow God means that they are murderers, inflict pain, and other ugly things. Humans who follow God means they are loving etc.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Humans who don't follow God means that they are murderers, inflict pain, and other ugly things. Humans who follow God means they are loving etc.

Huh??

That makes no sense. Humans who dont follow god (abrahamic) dont receive his loving, care, and all of that. That doesnt mean they are murderous because they dont follow; thats silly. You just called thousands of people murderers without a loving heart apart from god.

Also, many murders have came to believe in god. Many loving people dont even believe he exists to begin with.

Your statement is highly one-sided.