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God screwed Adam and Eve

nonbeliever_92

nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
In Genisis god tells Adam and Eve not to eat from the Treee of Knowledge of good and evil. He then gets mad when they do and kicks them out of the garden,why?

1) How were they suppose to know that eating from the tree would get them kicked out? how were they suppose to know that it was wrong to?

2) If god opened up the possibility of "free will" with this act, why didn't he just make humans like that from the beginning?

Someone told me oncer that it wasn't "wrong" for them to eat the fruit, but because they didn't listen to god, they were kicked out. If it wasn't wrong, why were they kicked out?
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
nonbeliever_92 said:
In Genisis god tells Adam and Eve not to eat from the Treee of Knowledge of good and evil. He then gets mad when they do and kicks them out of the garden,why?

1) How were they suppose to know that eating from the tree would get them kicked out? how were they suppose to know that it was wrong to?

2) If god opened up the possibility of "free will" with this act, why didn't he just make humans like that from the beginning?

Someone told me oncer that it wasn't "wrong" for them to eat the fruit, but because they didn't listen to god, they were kicked out. If it wasn't wrong, why were they kicked out?
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I see it like a pet dog. You can train your dog to be obedient, but he doesn't actually know the difference between right and wrong. Before eating of the tree of knowledge, Adam and Eve were like god's pet dogs.

Of course, if I don't want my dog to eat something, I put it in the cabinet where he can't get it. When it comes to food, I trust him about as far as I can throw him (actually much less since he weighs about 11 lbs. and I could probably chuck him a good distance).
 
Jeremiah

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
It was a set-up from the beginning; God knew Adam would eat the apple yet he still put the tree in the garden.
 
Mr Cheese

Mr Cheese

Well-Known Member
God's a naughty man...clearly

Being omnipotent, omniscient and all

God already knew..and just kicked them out of the garden, as he alkready knew he was going to

I need more sleep...
 
rageoftyrael

rageoftyrael

Veritas
and yet another thread pointing out the inconsistencies in the bible. and they ask us where we find this stuff? heck, start a thread about many bible verses, and you will most likely see a thread like this.
 
Rogue Cardinal

Rogue Cardinal

Devil's Advocate
Jeremiah said:
It was a set-up from the beginning; God knew Adam would eat the apple yet he still put the tree in the garden.
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So what you are really trying to say is that if God would have used his omnipotence he would have known that Adam and Eve would sin thus creating this terrible void between man and God. had god never put the tree there we wouldn't even have had a need for Jesus. So really, the whole thing is a monumental waste....I don't know but that just doesn't sound divine to me.
 
Riverwolf

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
God punished them for not acknowledging the wrong they had done AFTER they had eaten of the fruit and learned what was good and bad, and instead trying to place the blame elsewhere.

What they basically did was the equivalent of going somewhere and breaking the rules unknowingly, and then instead of apologizing, try to say that it was because of yadda yadda yadda which YOU allowed. (Key word: instead.)
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Riverwolf said:
God punished them for not acknowledging the wrong they had done AFTER they had eaten of the fruit and learned what was good and bad, and instead trying to place the blame elsewhere.

What they basically did was the equivalent of going somewhere and breaking the rules unknowingly, and then instead of apologizing, try to say that it was because of yadda yadda yadda which YOU allowed. (Key word: instead.)
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But the question is,
Did the biblical god know that they would do this? Being omnipotent and all.....
 
nonbeliever_92

nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
But it wasn't there fault. 1) The serpent told them to eat the fruit, they wouldn't have known better because 2) GOD MADE THEM THAT WAY!!! And 3) They didn't know it was wrong in the first place because 4) GOD MADE THEM THAT WAY!!!
 
Rogue Cardinal

Rogue Cardinal

Devil's Advocate
nonbeliever_92 said:
But it wasn't there fault. 1) The serpent told them to eat the fruit, they wouldn't have known better because 2) GOD MADE THEM THAT WAY!!! And 3) They didn't know it was wrong in the first place because 4) GOD MADE THEM THAT WAY!!!
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Well that's not entirely true now is it.

to 1) it doesn't matter what the serpent told them....what matters is what God told them.

to 2) God made them what way? Naked? Too trusting in talking animals?

3) They knew not to do it....and they did it anyway. They were warned and they didn't listen.

4. See 2...........
 
Rogue Cardinal

Rogue Cardinal

Devil's Advocate
idea said:
the void between man and God already existed. Man had no experience, eating from the tree was a good thing, knowledge of good and evil was gained out of it.
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That's not true either. IT was because man gained knowledge of good and evil that man became LIKE god.

Genesis 3:22
"And the Lord said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

Eating of the tree of knowledge also made it possible for all men to be born into sin.
 
nonbeliever_92

nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
Rogue Cardinal said:
Well that's not entirely true now is it.

to 1) it doesn't matter what the serpent told them....what matters is what God told them.

to 2) God made them what way? Naked? Too trusting in talking animals?

3) They knew not to do it....and they did it anyway. They were warned and they didn't listen.

4. See 2...........
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Is this serious or satire?

1) They were blank slates that did whatever was told of them it doesn't matter if god told them to do one thing, if a command was given after god made a command in the first place, that command would be followed.

2) God made them the blank puppets

3) It doesn't matter if they were warned or not, THEY HAD NO CONCEPT OF GOOD AND EVIL!!! if they were told that someothing was "bad" for them to do, how would they distinguish this from something "good"?The answer: THEY WOULDN'T!! To them it was all just actions, there was no bad and right to them, just actions because god made them that way.

4) see 2
 
Riverwolf

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
nonbeliever_92 said:
But it wasn't there fault. 1) The serpent told them to eat the fruit, they wouldn't have known better because 2) GOD MADE THEM THAT WAY!!! And 3) They didn't know it was wrong in the first place because 4) GOD MADE THEM THAT WAY!!!
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Dude... quote button...;)

They didn't know before.

They did know after, and therefore it was their responsibility to apologize, and recognize now the wrong they had done, which they did not. To that culture which gave birth to this story, that might have been the socially acceptable thing to do: FIRST apologize, THEN acknowledge that you didn't know. Nevertheless, acknowledge that YOU did it, without making excuses.

Don't teachers and parents constantly tell their kids to "not make excuses"? That is probably the lesson in this story, told in the viewpoint of another culture, whose values you clearly disagree with. (Such a disagreement, by the way, is okay.)
 
nonbeliever_92

nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
Riverwolf said:
Dude... quote button...;)

They didn't know before.

They did know after, and therefore it was their responsibility to apologize, and recognize now the wrong they had done, which they did not. To that culture which gave birth to this story, that might have been the socially acceptable thing to do: FIRST apologize, THEN acknowledge that you didn't know. Nevertheless, acknowledge that YOU did it, without making excuses.

Don't teachers and parents constantly tell their kids to "not make excuses"? That is probably the lesson in this story, told in the viewpoint of another culture, whose values you clearly disagree with. (Such a disagreement, by the way, is okay.)
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No, it still wasn't there fault, they didn't need to take the blame. Besides it being utterly obvious, they admitted that they ate from the tree, what further could they have done? They weren't at fault at the time they ate the fruit, it was completely god and the snake's fault.
 
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