"God, the Bible and his Word" the Genesis Account, the Garden of Eden

[Colt]

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, I thought it did. the word of God was not written, as you said, "The Hebrew authors that finalized the editing of previous written works while in Babylon were writing a story of origins and a spiritual teaching tool for the child-like mind of Bronze Age sheep herders". if true, the only thing they did was make God word more rich for the child-like mind to go deeper further in understanding God Holy Word. that's why we preach, listen,

1 Corinthians 1:17 "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:19 "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." 1 Corinthians 1:20 "Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Corinthians 1:21 "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1 Corinthians 1:22 "For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:"1 Corinthians 1:23 "But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;"

so if what is child like, (the foolishness of preaching), if this was the Hebrew authors adjective, they then did a good Job. for as I said, this is why God was with men in the Earth rejoicing in ........ HIS WISDOM, and not the world wisdom.

hope U now understrand why I said what I said.

1201G.

Living faith and the Living God are separate from the written word. God isn't the Bible. The Bible was written by holy men, some more holy than others.

The Israelites converted an ordinary secular history into a miraculous fiction. The Old Testament is vastly exaggerated. Genesis in no way reflects the evolution of life on earth, rather it is a very recent creation story created by the Israelites. They appropriated Mesopotamian lore in the construction of their own religious history.

 

[101G]

Living faith and the Living God are separate from the written word.

First ERROR of the Day, OT, Habakkuk 2:4 "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith."

Confirmed NT, Hebrews 10:38 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."

Romans 1:17 "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

God isn't the Bible

Second, ERROR of the Day. Spirit is .... and God is a Spirit.

The Israelites converted an ordinary secular history into a miraculous fiction. The Old Testament is vastly exaggerated. Genesis in no way reflects the evolution of life on earth, rather it is a very recent creation story created by the Israelites. They appropriated Mesopotamian lore in the construction of their own religious history.

so you are saying prophecy is right or wrong, concerning future events.... yes or no?.

101G.

 

[Colt]

First ERROR of the Day, OT, Habakkuk 2:4 "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith."

Confirmed NT, Hebrews 10:38 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."

Romans 1:17 "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Second, ERROR of the Day. Spirit is .... and God is a Spirit.

so you are saying prophecy is right or wrong, concerning future events.... yes or no?.

101G.

Depends, the prophecy of the Jewish Messiah was wrong. The Messiah never came. Jesus the Son of God came and didnt live up to the expectations.

Jeremiah 8:8-9

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the Lord,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?
9 The wise will be put to shame;
they will be dismayed and trapped.
Since they have rejected the word of the Lord,
what kind of wisdom do they have?​

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I believe the hostility was to fruitlessness.

Being angry at a tree for doing what a tree does naturally would be a moral and intellectual lapse.

the debate is what happen in and concerning the Garden of Eden is traditionally True or not.

All you can do is express your personal interpretation of an ancient story. There's no fact-checking or falsifiability to any of it.

I'll give you a skeptic's take. Personally, I don't think any of it happened, and to my knowledge, no evidence to the contrary exists - unless you call the myth such evidence, but that is weak evidence of anything about reality more than that the story was written, and I think I know why.

The reason is going to be something practical. Many of these myths, like the creation story, were likely written to account for the reality we find ourselves in in the context of there existing a perfectly loving god that is also all-powerful and all-knowing. Shouldn't we be living in paradise if that' possible and God loves us? We're not. Instead, man has to eke out a living with his back in the heat of the sun, women suffer and die in childbirth, and then we die. How do we reconcile those beliefs about God and the facts of the human condition? The answer is obvious. Man must have deserved his brutish existence. He did something bad, and had to pay.

This is probably also the source of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. There is evidence for a large meteor impact that destroyed ancient cities: Fire and brimstone: Sodom and Gomorrah perhaps destroyed by 'cosmic fireball,' evidence shows Why did a good god order that? Same answer - man is a sinner who deserves severe punishment.

And the Tower of babel story. Why would God confound mankind with mutually unintelligible languages. You know the answer by now. Sinful man needed another correction.

This is a fascinating subject - why these myths appear in that holy book - stories that make the deity look bad. He looks pretty weak needing six days to create and then a day of rest. We don't see either a timeline or a day of rest in other creation myths, but one was inserted into this one. Why? The answer will be practical. I can suggest a solution. Who benefits from the advent of the work week with a weekend free from labor? Suggested answer: the priesthood and the collection plate, a consequence of settling in large communities with a central synagogue that people need to travel to rather than wandering as nomads, to pay rather than just feed, and to build and maintain the synagogue, none of which would be relevant to nomadic peoples.

Also, how about that flood story. The deity looks cruel and stupid drowning virtually all terrestrial life and repopulating the earth using the same breeding stock. What would motivate people to create and tell such a story? Suggested answer: the discovery of marine fossils on the highest mountain tops. Do the math. It must be God again, and it must be a punishment of man for some offense.

no, it does not mean, "GOD IS NOT Our Lord Jesus Christ"

Like all vague writing, it means whatever people want it to mean. It may mean something different to you, but since you prefer to keep whatever that is a secret, people are free to speculate.

 

[101G]

Depends

depends? ..... LOL, LOL, LOL. prophecy don't lie.

101G.

 

[Subduction Zone]

depends? ..... LOL, LOL, LOL. prophecy don't lie.

101G.

What are you talking about? There do not appear to be any valid prophecies i n the bible. I know of quite a few failed ones.

 

[101G]

Being angry at a tree for doing what a tree does naturally would be a moral and intellectual lapse.

All you can do is express your personal interpretation of an ancient story. There's no fact-checking or falsifiability to any of it.

I'll give you a skeptic's take. Personally, I don't think any of it happened, and to my knowledge, no evidence to the contrary exists - unless you call the myth such evidence, but that is weak evidence of anything about reality more than that the story was written, and I think I know why.

The reason is going to be something practical. Many of these myths, like the creation story, were likely written to account for the reality we find ourselves in in the context of there existing a perfectly loving god that is also all-powerful and all-knowing. Shouldn't we be living in paradise if that' possible and God loves us? We're not. Instead, man has to eke out a living with his back in the heat of the sun, women suffer and die in childbirth, and then we die. How do we reconcile those beliefs about God and the facts of the human condition? The answer is obvious. Man must have deserved his brutish existence. He did something bad, and had to pay.

This is probably also the source of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. There is evidence for a large meteor impact that destroyed ancient cities: Fire and brimstone: Sodom and Gomorrah perhaps destroyed by 'cosmic fireball,' evidence shows Why did a good god order that? Same answer - man is a sinner who deserves severe punishment.

And the Tower of babel story. Why would God confound mankind with mutually unintelligible languages. You know the answer by now. Sinful man needed another correction.

This is a fascinating subject - why these myths appear in that holy book - stories that make the deity look bad. He looks pretty weak needing six days to create and then a day of rest. We don't see either a timeline or a day of rest in other creation myths, but one was inserted into this one. Why? The answer will be practical. I can suggest a solution. Who benefits from the advent of the work week with a weekend free from labor? Suggested answer: the priesthood and the collection plate, a consequence of settling in large communities with a central synagogue that people need to travel to rather than wandering as nomads, to pay rather than just feed, and to build and maintain the synagogue, none of which would be relevant to nomadic peoples.

Also, how about that flood story. The deity looks cruel and stupid drowning virtually all terrestrial life and repopulating the earth using the same breeding stock. What would motivate people to create and tell such a story? Suggested answer: the discovery of marine fossils on the highest mountain tops. Do the math. It must be God again, and it must be a punishment of man for some offense.

Like all vague writing, it means whatever people want it to mean. It may mean something different to you, but since you prefer to keep whatever that is a secret, people are free to speculate.

thanks for the reply........ but...... REJECTED, meaning to what you said,, "I'll give you a skeptic's take. Personally, I don't think any of it happened, and to my knowledge, no evidence to the contrary exists - unless you call the myth such evidence, but that is weak evidence of anything about reality more than that the story was written, and I think I know why".

101G.

 

[Subduction Zone]

thanks for the reply........ but...... REJECTED, meaning to what you said,, "I'll give you a skeptic's take. Personally, I don't think any of it happened, and to my knowledge, no evidence to the contrary exists - unless you call the myth such evidence, but that is weak evidence of anything about reality more than that the story was written, and I think I know why".

101G.

You still have as of yet to demonstrate a rational reason to believe the myths of the Bible.

 

[Colt]

depends? ..... LOL, LOL, LOL. prophecy don't lie.

101G.

Believers lie about prophecy because some are Bible worshipers, making no allowance for the human imperfection of scripture authors.

 

[101G]

Believers lie about prophecy because some are Bible worshipers, making no allowance for the human imperfection of scripture authors.View attachment 74415

and?

101G

 

[Subduction Zone]

and?

101G

Prophecy is a very poor argument to use for God.

 

[101G]

Prophecy is a very poor argument to use for God.

disprove it then....... (smile) ... LOL, LOL, LOL, .... YIKERS!

let's hear it...... trhe floor is yours.

101G

 

[Subduction Zone]

disprove it then....... (smile) ... LOL, LOL, LOL, .... YIKERS!

let's hear it...... trhe floor is yours.

101G

Actually the burden of proof is upon you. You were the one that claimed prophecy was evidence for your beliefs. If you cannot support that claim then people are justified in dismissing it. As to disproving prophecy you would probably fail any honesty tests given to you in that regard.

 

[101G]

Actually the burden of proof is upon you. You were the one that claimed prophecy was evidence for your beliefs. If you cannot support that claim then people are justified in dismissing it. As to disproving prophecy you would probably fail any honesty tests given to you in that regard.

LOL, LOL, >LOL.

101G.

 

[Soapy]

AND U? ....... (smile)...... YIKES!. as said personal opinion do not move me.

101G.

Personal opinions may not be your mover but truth should be or else everything you think, say, and do is your ‘personal opinion’. Therefore you are not even worthy of your own opinion!

That’s the truth to you!

Just in passing… why do you think:

• ‘God is light - in Him there is no darkness!’

and:

• ‘Light is truth - in Light there is no darkness!’

are not synonymous?

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL, LOL, >LOL.

101G.

So even you know that you are wrong. You ran away from your burden of proof.

 

[101G]

So even you know that you are wrong. You ran away from your burden of proof.

LOL, LOL, LOL,,,,,,,,,,,, Oh Dear, YIKES!

101G.

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL, LOL, LOL,,,,,,,,,,,, Oh Dear, YIKES!

101G.

Are you twelve? You are arguing like a twelve year old.


When you make ignorant clams and cannot support them, such as your claim that prophecy supports the Bible when it in fact refutes it, and you refuse to support that claim you are tacitly admitting that you are wrong. When one enters a debate it is with the assumed position that one will try to support one's claims.

Also now it appears that you may be trolling and that is against the rules of the forum.

 

[101G]

now, another Garden of Eden Account. God manifestation in the Garden.

scripture, Genesis 3:8 "And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden."

hearing and Walking are physical manifestation, or electrical signals to the brain. and third, God's presence, meaning his face, which is the Hebrew word,
H6440 פָּנִים paniym (paw-neem') n-m.
פָּנֶה paneh (paw-neh') [singular (but always as plural) of an unused noun]
1. the face (as the part that turns).
2. (with prepositional prefix, as a preposition) before, etc.
{used in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively}
[from H6437]
KJV: + accept, a-(be-)fore(-time), against, anger, X as (long as), at, + battle, + because (of), + beseech, countenance, edge, + employ, endure, + enquire, face, favour, fear of, for, forefront(-part), form(-er time, -ward), from, front, heaviness, X him(-self), + honourable, + impudent, + in, it, look(-eth) (-s), X me, + meet, X more than, mouth, of, off, (of) old (time), X on, open, + out of, over against, the partial, person, + please, presence, prospect, was purposed, by reason of, + regard, right forth, + serve, X shewbread, sight, state, straight, + street, X thee, X them(-selves), through (+ - out), till, time(-s) past, (un-)to(-ward), + upon, upside (+ down), with(- in, + -stand), X ye, X you.
Root(s): H6437

so, God's Face was in (some way, Spiritually) in a Manifestation when he was in the Garden of Eden before the ADAMS fell into Sin.

for if man is the IMAGE of God, then the Source for the Image have to exist before the IMAGE.

for an Image cannot exist without a source.

101G.

 

[Subduction Zone]

now, another Garden of Eden Account. God manifestation in the Garden.

scripture, Genesis 3:8 "And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden."

hearing and Walking are physical manifestation, or electrical signals to the brain. and third, God's presence, meaning his face, which is the Hebrew word,
H6440 פָּנִים paniym (paw-neem') n-m.
פָּנֶה paneh (paw-neh') [singular (but always as plural) of an unused noun]
1. the face (as the part that turns).
2. (with prepositional prefix, as a preposition) before, etc.
{used in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively}
[from H6437]
KJV: + accept, a-(be-)fore(-time), against, anger, X as (long as), at, + battle, + because (of), + beseech, countenance, edge, + employ, endure, + enquire, face, favour, fear of, for, forefront(-part), form(-er time, -ward), from, front, heaviness, X him(-self), + honourable, + impudent, + in, it, look(-eth) (-s), X me, + meet, X more than, mouth, of, off, (of) old (time), X on, open, + out of, over against, the partial, person, + please, presence, prospect, was purposed, by reason of, + regard, right forth, + serve, X shewbread, sight, state, straight, + street, X thee, X them(-selves), through (+ - out), till, time(-s) past, (un-)to(-ward), + upon, upside (+ down), with(- in, + -stand), X ye, X you.
Root(s): H6437

so, God's Face was in (some way, Spiritually) in a Manifestation when he was in the Garden of Eden before the ADAMS fell into Sin.

for if man is the IMAGE of God, then the Source for the Image have to exist before the IMAGE.

for an Image cannot exist without a source.

101G.

Or, it is just a myth cobbled together by the priests of bunch of rather ignorant goat herders during the Babylonian Captivity.

You should study the history of the Bible some day.