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God vs Science: Is there a point?
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godnotgod
Thou art That
There can indeed be the god in your head that is conditionally 'real', just as you dreaming you are a dragon slayer is 'real' while in the dream. However, there can be the 'God' experience beyond what is in the head, just as awakening to reality from the dream. In both cases, there is an awakening from a personal view to that of a universal view. In the universal view, there is no 'I' that is the experiencer of the experience: there is only the experience itself.
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Trichakra
Member
If it is in her head then it does not mean she believe in god and think that he is real.
Trichakra
Member
Oo, i think she don't believe in god and saying that god is not real.
godnotgod
Thou art That
I think no. Nobody has neither proved the existence of God nor had they proved he does not exist. I think people discuss these things just because they need something philosophical to talk about.
Maybe it's deeper than that. Maybe what they are searching for is the very thing that is prompting them to search.
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Ana.J
Active Member
I do believe in God. I meant that our thoughts are as real as the objective reality is.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Then again, it is our very thoughts which create the concept of an objective reality. It appears, then, that to know the True Reality, one must go beyond the machinations of the mind itself.
Trichakra
Member
Are you atheist? and what makes an atheist not believe in God?
Ana.J
Active Member
Why would you think I'm an atheist? I said I believe in God
Can explain what makes people doubt the supreme being exists.
godnotgod
Thou art That
That 'the Supreme Being' is first of all, not a thing that can exist or not-exist, and secondly, that Being is beyond existence and non-existence, as these are dualities, and Being is beyond all dualities. But most doubt because they have been bred on Reason and Logic, and Reason/Logic demand evidence and proof, conditions which attempt to box in Being via Space and Time, but which cannot be boxed in, as Being is outside of Space and Time. To be boxed in via Space and Time is Existence, not Being. So Being is not a person or thing, but a state of Consciousness, or rather, Pure Consciousness itself, and you are it. Tat tvam asi, as the Hindus tell us.
godnotgod
Thou art That
In short, the situation is that of the divine nature manifesting itself as man, while pretending that IT, as man, is not the divine nature. and that the divine nature is some mysterious 'otherness' beyond himself. If this is much ado about nothing, it is the most compelling nothing I can possibly think of.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
"Objective reality" is a tricky idea though. What we actually experience are a set of phenomena via a process of perception, which means our experience is inherently subjective and partial. We construct a mental model of what we think is "out there", and our thoughts reflect that.
Ana.J
Active Member
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
yes, it is subjective. But you cannot say that it is not real as well
"Real" is a tricky word too! I do think our beliefs shape the way we see the world though, and strong beliefs have a distorting effect, like when people talk about seeing the world through rose-coloured spectacles.
Ana.J
Active Member
The law of attraction is the proof
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Could you say briefly what that is? Is it a new-age thing?
Ana.J
Active Member
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
It's a new age variant of the power of positive thinking. I listened to the video for 6 minutes and noted that he never once talked about the role of beliefs in this so-called "law of attraction". If you try doing this type of thing without understanding how your thoughts are precipitated by your beliefs and how your beliefs, in turn are supported by your thoughts, in a hypnotic affirmation - a symbiotic relationship - the adherence to said "principle or law" will have little or no effect. In order for the individual to make any real progress here, they must understand why they are having negative thoughts about given things.
It is noted that he pussyfoots around beliefs at the 10 min mark, but doesn't actually talk about beliefs themselves. At the 12 minute mark... this is more of an avoidance therapy without covering beliefs that generate thoughts. Quite hilarious, actually that one can talk about thoughts for 13 minutes without a single mention of the belief structures that precipitate those thoughts. Caveat emptor.
My guess @Rick O'Shez is that since you already understand that understanding beliefs is the cornerstone to "progress" that is why you have never been attracted to this new age twaddle.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
While I clearly recognize that personality has a larger identity component, if you will, I left all thoughts of so-called divinity behind a very long time ago. It's just not a particularly useful concept after one understands the gravity of their discovery (recognition of the larger identity). After one gets over the initial shock and appreciates this facet of being the divinity shtick is no longer meaningful and is seen a projection of the human psyche.
It is the values of the people which need to be addresses otherwise people will continue using religion to create hatred and science to create weapons.