God wants everyone to be saved

[TransmutingSoul]

The intention of our heart is a product of our nature and nurture in my view Tony, thus only an unjust God would give us a certain nature and environment to nurture us then judge us for it in my view.

Regards,
Daniel

I see we have the ability to arise above our nature and nurture, to find all virtue within Daniel. In each of our situations, our relative existence, we are judged by our own choices and actions. (My own nature and nurture is far from my chosen path). If events are out of our control, out of our hands, then we are told we are not judged upon them. If we are treated unjustly in this life, and only resopnd in purity of heart, then there is recompense given. Vengeance is not ours, forgiveness is our challenge.

I see this ability of moral and virtues transcends nature, transcends the material world. It is not possible to do this if we become attached to the world and all that is therein. One can live within and partake of the benefits of his world, without attachment to it, not so easy and made harder if one's perception is on a limited life, that ceases to be upon the death of our material body.

All the best Daniel. Happy Birthday

Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

I see we have the ability to arise above our nature and nurture, to find all virtue within Daniel.

I believe you cannot demonstrate what you claim to see.

Thanks for the Birthday wishes.

 

[ppp]

If God hands out salvation it should be to whoever has earned it.

Anything less would amount to injustice in my opinion.

The need for salvation is injustice.

 

[seekandfind]

It is odd that god invented sin so people would need god for forgiveness and entrance to god's favor. The church provides the remedy for sin and by support and devotion you can be the chosen one for everlasting life, nobody thought to ask if they wanted to live forever. The streets of gold and great mansions? If this is the case I choose my place outside of the pearly gates.

God didnt invent sin. He created beings with free will. Some choose a life against his standards. His house, his rules.

 

[ppp]

God didnt invent sin. He created beings with free will. Some choose a life against his standards. His house, his rules.

What you just described is God inventing sin. The only way for sin to exist under such a system is for God to take offense from the actions of others. Without that, there would be no sin.

 

[seekandfind]

What you just described is God inventing sin. The only way for sin to exist under such a system is for God to take offense from the actions of others. Without that, there would be no sin.

He told them what to do and they ignored him creating sin themselves. God just put a name to it.

 

[ppp]

He told them what to do and they ignored him creating sin themselves. God just put a name to it.

That is no different from what I said. Sin only exists as a function of you God taking offense at the actions of others.

 

[ppp]

If God hands out salvation it should be to whoever has earned it.

Anything less would amount to injustice in my opinion.

Perhaps one day you will have a coherent understanding of justice and injustice. I know that I am being wildly optimistic there.

 

[seekandfind]

That is no different from what I said. Sin only exists as a function of you God taking offense at the actions of others.

You said he created it. You are wrong. Disobedience is what Adam and Eve created. But its all semantics i suppose. The point is there is sin and the result is a broken relationship with God and death.

 

[ppp]

You said he created it. You are wrong. Disobedience is what Adam and Eve created. But its all semantics i suppose. The point is there is sin and the result is a broken relationship with God and death.

The only reason that the system where any relationship breaks because of sin is because God designed the system to work that way. Free will does not change that fact.

 

[Trailblazer]

What you just described is God inventing sin. The only way for sin to exist under such a system is for God to take offense from the actions of others. Without that, there would be no sin.

Only humans take offense. God does not take offense since God is not a human.
Only humans can sin. Without humans there would be no sin.

 

[ppp]

You said he created it. You are wrong. Disobedience is what Adam and Eve created. But its all semantics i suppose. The point is there is sin and the result is a broken relationship with God and death.

BTW, according to the story Adam and Eve had no ability to comprehend that disobedience was wrong. They literally had no concept of what "wrong" was until after they ate the fruit.

 

[seekandfind]

The only reason that the system where any relationship breaks because of sin is because God designed the system to work that way. Free will does not change that fact.

God does have standards.

 

[ppp]

Only humans take offense.

False.

God does not take offense since God is not a human.

Your opinion on gods emotional capacity is an uniformed opinion.

Only humans can sin. Without humans there would be no sin.

Do you even know what sin is?

 

[ppp]

God does have standards.

Your point?

 

[Trailblazer]

The only reason that the system where any relationship breaks because of sin is because God designed the system to work that way. Free will does not change that fact.

God designed the system so humans would have free will to choose to sin or not sin.
That doesn't make God responsible for the human free will choice to sin.
If a car maker designs a car that can go 120 mph, he is not responsible if a person chooses to go 120 mph and kill a bunch of people.

 

[Trailblazer]

False.

Prove that God takes offense or don't claim it.
You'd have to find that in scriptures. Otherwise it is only a personal opinion.

Your opinion on gods emotional capacity is an uniformed opinion.

Nobody knows God's emotional capacity.

Do you even know what sin is?

Sin is disobedience to God and that sinning separates a person from God.

 

[Trailblazer]

Perhaps one day you will have a coherent understanding of justice and injustice. I know that I am being wildly optimistic there.

Perhaps one day you will have a coherent understanding of justice and injustice, but I highly doubt it, since those concepts come from religion, not from the ego.

 

[Dawah]

Allah has cursed disobedient people. He does not want them to be saved, he says in the Quran that they will have no helpers. Quran literally says that jesus christ has nothing to say on judgement day. Allah calls disobedient people as CRIMINALS in holy Quran. So no you will not be saved from christ if you are a non muslim.

 

[Trailblazer]

The need for salvation is injustice.

The need for salvation is justice.