So they don't earn it by "proving they can overcome hardship"? That's what you said before. It's okay if you've changed your mind.
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God wants there to be Atheists
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lostwanderingsoul
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Sorry, but the bible says God calls those HE chooses. No condescension or selfrighteousness involved .
To the OP:
It seems as though you find the atheist position reasonable, but remain faithful because of how out of control you feel without prayer and your church stuff. (and the "coincidences" that are surely gathered and remembered with confirmation bias) Have you considered seeing a psychologist? Your suicidal thoughts and manic behavior without the control of religious rituals could be a coping mechanism that you mistake as some kind of truth. You might be much happier and better off if you were dealing with the underlying reasons of your behavior and thoughts instead of burying them in confusing religion. As comforting as it is - there's a lot of unnecessary baggage that comes with the mental jumping jacks and cognitive dissonance required to stay religious.
It seems as though you find the atheist position reasonable, but remain faithful because of how out of control you feel without prayer and your church stuff. (and the "coincidences" that are surely gathered and remembered with confirmation bias) Have you considered seeing a psychologist? Your suicidal thoughts and manic behavior without the control of religious rituals could be a coping mechanism that you mistake as some kind of truth. You might be much happier and better off if you were dealing with the underlying reasons of your behavior and thoughts instead of burying them in confusing religion. As comforting as it is - there's a lot of unnecessary baggage that comes with the mental jumping jacks and cognitive dissonance required to stay religious.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
No change of mind. If you believe, then you can overcome hardship .
There's plenty. You just blame god for it.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I'm seeing my psychiatrist tomorrow actually. I have got a tremendous amount of professional help including electroconvulsive therapy (Shock treatments). I've also been on an enormous amount of medications. Prayer works better.
I don't embrace Dogma because it divides people and makes people judgmental. I simply stay humble, meek, poor in spirit, peaceful, nonviolent, make acts of love to the spirits i'm devoted to, pray the Rosary, Litanies, and be kind to others, and that is my Religion. It works better than psychologists or professional help.
idea
Question Everything
Meh - that's the Dark-Ages altered version of the story.
idea
Question Everything
Perfectly fine by me - just so long as you are following your conscience.
I'm not actually disagreeing with your logic here, but extrapolate it out and God wants famine, child abuse and the LA Lakers too.
I never quite have wrapped my head around why we are supposed to worship God, even assuming existence.
stevevw
Member
The bible says that we all know about God through His creation.
Romans 1:20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
We also all have the law of God written in our hearts which would be more like written on our conscience.
Romand 2:15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.
To be an atheist a person would have to deny the above and push God out of the picture. All that is required to be a believer in God is faith. One of the common statements made by atheists to justify their position is that there is no evidence for God so this means there is unlikely to be a God. So it is a world view and position that denies God and kills faith. Many people prefer to trust and believe what they see when it comes to a faith on God yet the bible tells us that what we see in creation speaks about God anyway.
I don't think God will make it so obvious that he is real as there is already support for this that He says is fairly obvious. It is through faith we are saved and if everyone could be shown 100% evidence then where would the faith be. This would devalue Christ's sacrifice and many people would reject the message anyway even if they were given proof. That is the idea of accepting Christ and re-establishing a relation with God because it is built on trust and the faith in accepting that what God has said is true.
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Spiderman
Veteran Member
Yes. He wanted his only son to be stripped down naked, whipped, mocked, betrayed, humiliated, crowned with thorns, and nailed to a cross as well. He wanted the Apostles and the early Christians to be persecuted and executed also
DrTCH
Member
My opinion is that I don't think God would want even a single person to be an atheist. BUT it is something that has to be allowed (for lack of a better word) for freewill to exist. Personally I think God created some people to be extremely skeptical of everything for a reason. That reason being to help us police ourselves here on Earth, and also providing some theoretical evidence of freewill, among other purposes. But I have no scripture to back that up, and I very well could be wrong. Like I say this is just my personal opinion.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
And his sacrifice lasted for all of three days before he was apparently over it and hasn't felt like returning for millennia.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Now this is a scary idea. What you're basically saying is that, without God speaking in our ear secretly, none of us would stay our hand at the door to doing evil deeds. Which means, my friend, that you are simply a sociopath without God.
I'll tell you one thing... I am not a sociopath - and I know that "little voice" is my own.
You should learn to take more pride in your own abilities. Think about it... if you had a son or daughter, and they were good at something, would you begrudge them a healthy feeling of pride in what they could do? Should God call all pride in yourself "sin?" Is that fair, or right? How ridiculous is this phrase: "I am allowed to feel pride in you - but you are never allowed to be proud of yourself - because everything you are is because of me." I dare you to say that to your own child.
... as opposed to the 19th Century altered version of the story.
Yes. He wanted his only son to be stripped down naked, whipped, mocked, betrayed, humiliated, crowned with thorns, and nailed to a cross as well. He wanted the Apostles and the early Christians to be persecuted and executed also
He sounds like a HBO series waiting to happen.
budha3
Member
In defense of Atheist
My understanding of atheist is they do not believe in God. The reason why they do not believe in God is because of lack of experiences with Him. PopeADope is correct
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I find that quite heartbreaking.