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[JField]

Is Waheguru different from the concept of Brahman ? What are the the similarities and differences ?

 

[GURSIKH]

Hi Jfield ,welcome to the forum .


to answer you question ,i need to know whats your understanding of Brahman ?

 

[JField]

That's a tough one XD. I suppose what I mean when I say Brahman is an impersonal, all pervading, attributless, God or reality which can be realized through various spiritual practices as the true self.

 

[JField]

Hi Jfield ,welcome to the forum .


to answer you question ,i need to know whats your understanding of Brahman ?

So how does that compare to what Waheguru is ?

 

[columbus]

I have no answers to your question. But you get a frubal for the thread title.

Tom

 

[GURSIKH]

That's a tough one XD. I suppose what I mean when I say Brahman is an impersonal, all pervading, attributless, God or reality which can be realized through various spiritual practices as the true self.

hi JField ,

your description of Brahman is very much similar to Waheguru , and ya "Brahm or Parbrahm" is used several times in Gurbani synonym sly to Waheguru/GOD .



Pokẖar nīr virolī▫ai mākẖan nahī rīsai. ||7||
Churning the water in the pond, no butter is produced. ||7||
Is paḏ jo arthā▫e le▫e so gurū hamārā.
One who understands the meaning of this verse is my Guru.
Nānak cẖīnai āp ka▫o so apar apārā. ||8||
O Nanak, one who knows his own self, is infinite and incomparable. ||8||
Sabẖ āpe āp varaṯḏā āpe bẖarmā▫i▫ā.
He Himself is All-pervading; He Himself misleads the people.
Gur kirpā ṯe būjẖī▫ai sabẖ barahm samā▫i▫ā. ||9||2||18||
By Guru's Grace, one comes to understand, that God is contained in all. ||9||2||18||

 

[Aupmanyav]

The difference is that Brahman in Sikhism is definitely a God. In Hinduism, not all would make it into a God, sometimes just the substrate out of which all things arise.

 

[chinu]

Is Waheguru different from the concept of Brahman ? What are the the similarities and differences ?

Punjabi word "Waheguru" is the composition of three words.
Wa + He + Guru

Wa = "वाह" It is kinda applause for something.

He = "हे" generally used for "Almighty"

Guru = "गुरु" Teacher.

The word "Waheguru" or "वाहहेगुरु" is used for the praise of Almighty-Teacher or God.

I hope if this will help you something.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Wah-e-guru = majesty/excellence of the teacher.

 

[chinu]

Wah-e-guru = majesty/excellence of the teacher.

that.

 

[Poeticus]

Correct me if I'm wrong ...​

Waheguru = Excellent/Sublime Teacher

Sikh = Student of the Excellent/Sublime Teacher​

Do I have it close ?​

 

[chinu]

Correct me if I'm wrong ...​

Waheguru = Excellent/Sublime Teacher

Sikh = Student of the Excellent/Sublime Teacher​

Do I have it close ?​

There's no need to address any teacher as excellent/sublime. When addressing someone as Teacher, the word "Teacher" itself is more of value than the words "Excellent"/"Sublime"

Saying.. Sikh = Student of Teacher, is more than enough to address a "Gursikh"

 

[Poeticus]

There's no need to address any teacher as excellent/sublime. When addressing someone as Teacher, the word "Teacher" itself is more of value than the words "Excellent"/"Sublime"

Agree. True teachers are by their very nature excellent & sublime.
But I had the second part correct, right? Sikh = Student of Teacher ?​

 

[chinu]

Agree. True teachers are by their very nature excellent & sublime.
But I had the second part correct, right? Sikh = Student of Teacher ?​

Not even add the word TRUE in front of Teacher.
Those who are FALSE, they aren't Teachers indeed.

 

[Poeticus]

Not even add the word TRUE in front of Teacher.
Those who are FALSE, they aren't Teachers indeed.

Agreed. BTW, do you like the song in my signature ? ​

 

[chinu]

Agreed. BTW, do you like the song in my signature ? ​

I will listen and tell you

 

[chinu]

Agreed. BTW, do you like the song in my signature ? ​

I use to listen this when I was young. And that time I really liked it, Yes.

But now I think its not for me, My time for such songs has gone.

Really Nice Song, Anyways, yes.

 

[JField]

hi JField ,

your description of Brahman is very much similar to Waheguru , and ya "Brahm or Parbrahm" is used several times in Gurbani synonym sly to Waheguru/GOD .



Pokẖar nīr virolī▫ai mākẖan nahī rīsai. ||7||
Churning the water in the pond, no butter is produced. ||7||
Is paḏ jo arthā▫e le▫e so gurū hamārā.
One who understands the meaning of this verse is my Guru.
Nānak cẖīnai āp ka▫o so apar apārā. ||8||
O Nanak, one who knows his own self, is infinite and incomparable. ||8||
Sabẖ āpe āp varaṯḏā āpe bẖarmā▫i▫ā.
He Himself is All-pervading; He Himself misleads the people.
Gur kirpā ṯe būjẖī▫ai sabẖ barahm samā▫i▫ā. ||9||2||18||
By Guru's Grace, one comes to understand, that God is contained in all. ||9||2||18||

Thank you for answering my question. What is the name of the text you took that passage from ? If you don't mind my asking

 

[Aupmanyav]

By 'guru', doesn't it refer to Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji? 'Wah-e-Guru di fatah' (Guru wins). God always wins, there will be no need to mention that.

 

[GURSIKH]

Thank you for answering my question. What is the name of the text you took that passage from ? If you don't mind my asking

hi ,

quoted text is from "Guru Granth Sahib "


Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib