james2ko
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You mean, all we "see" is the physical.....Doesn't necessarily mean that is all we have.
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You mean, all we "see" is the physical.....Doesn't necessarily mean that is all we have.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
On no. I mean all we have is the physical, all we see is the physical. I've never seen gods, devils, angels, aliens, faeries, etc. none of it, ergo it exists only in fiction.You mean, all we "see" is the physical.....Doesn't necessarily mean that is all we have.
james2ko
Well-Known Member
Have you ever seen the wind? Perhaps you've seen manifestations of it but not the wind itself. Yet it exists.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
the wind is physical. 'gods' 'angels' 'demons' 'faeries' are not. that's very romantic, but sorry.. No.
james2ko
Well-Known Member
That's the point, just because you personally can't see or haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have never seen an alien in person. Does this mean they do not exist? If I think this way, I am jumping to conclusions and exercising arrogance because I have not been to every corner of the universe. I can "believe" there are no aliens but that does not change the fact that they could possibly exist.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Listen, I have never been to Alpha Centauri, and it will take humans thousands of years to get there if ever, so the whole thing is moot, there is no point to jumping to conclusions based on wishful thinking. aliens may or may not exist, good chance they don't, however aliens would be physical, the 'spirit world' is the dream state of human beings, eventually everyone comes back from there.That's the point, just because you personally can't see or haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have never seen an alien in person. Does this mean they do not exist? If I think this way, I am jumping to conclusions and exercising arrogance because I have not been to every corner of the universe. I can "believe" there are no aliens but that does not change the fact that they could possibly exist.
james2ko
Well-Known Member
How do you know if you've never seen or experienced one? See the point. I'm not trying to alter your belief system. I respect whatever you believe. I'm just illustrating the point that there may be more to our awareness than meets the physical eye. Enjoy your weekend!
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Have you ever seen an alien outside the film industry? really, ever? do you understand how bizarre it is than to romanticize the whole thing?
And no, I still believe the physical is all there is, honestly its been thousands of years since people turned water into wine, since prophets proclaimed the destruction of cities, and since the Greeks told each other the glorious sex exploits of Dionysus with the Nymphs. its time to move on.
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Your bible is not a hard read at all and your god's lack of power and knowledge is displayed very early on.
Either your god lacks power and is clueless or he set man up for failure.
Try to think outside the bubble for a moment. If your god exist outside of space and time then it stands to reason that the universe is his construct. If he is truly omniscient then the demands he places on his creation is futile. If he has to make up rules and demand obedience or suffer punishment then he isn't omniscient. See, there is no reason or no purpose for your god to do anything considering it would already know the end result and this is what leads me to think that gods are the construct of the human mind.
Now that's a good example of the Bible being a closed book to all who do not believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord!
So that does not mean we have to remain on the physical level. Because you know the A-B-C does not mean you need not learn to read.
Looking back is not the way forward !!! Where is the Roman and the Jew of Jesus' time today ?
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Heh I don't know about Jesus, but we are right here..
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friend , you don't see an ' idea or thought ' yet it is the pre-formulation or basis of reality.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
you live in your reality friend, it has zero relevance to my reality. where Im at, at the 'holy land', Christians are a minority.
ninerbuff
godless wonder
Yep, letting a bunch of innocent starving children around the world is a great way to win hearts.
Pleas and cries of help from those followers go unheeded to this day, and for what.......so god can let his plan unfold.
It is so typical of selfish disobedient Humans to roll their responsibilities on to God's shoulders while they waste precious money and resources on their own desires.Yep, letting a bunch of innocent starving children around the world is a great way to win hearts.
Our children should be our own responsibility and would be if we followed God's instructions for life. They have been available for millennia if we cared to obey.Just what followers are you talking about ?
It was you who was interested in human history friend -
we were not talking about us today .
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
It was you who was interested in human history friend -
we were not talking about us today .
Yes, history, not fables. your fables have no relevance to reality here.
Reality based on the here and now is not what God is all about.
God is about reality of the future.
Listen...if you had described space-travel to a caveman he would have thought you a lunatic. Get it ? There is future potential with God man can not even dream of. :run:
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
*snort* OK, Good luck with your space ship god. its atheistic science that's gonna get us there eventually.