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God's Name is God

questfortruth

questfortruth

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“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of Him who is holy and true,
Who holds the key of David. What He opens no one
can shut, and what He shuts no one can open.

I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you
an open door that no one can shut. I know that
you have little strength, yet you have kept My
word and have not denied My name.

Revelation 3:7-8.

And indeed, we have not denied His Name.
I am relating this speech to each of the readers.


``He doesn't understand that he is the one who has
the power to stop it. He [simply] cannot imagine
that one little boy could be that important. He
has to give me a new name'' in ``The Neverending
Story (9/10) Movie CLIP - Call My Name (1984)''.


And the Holy Bible agrees: ``My new name''
Revelation 3:12. I will raise my right hand, I will
shout it out loud: ``God's Name is God!''

Definition of the True God:
``He is the Person, whose name is God.''


Nobody can outgrow your God if you have the True God. It does not matter
if you are an atheist. You cannot do it. Another god cannot do it. The moment
that has happened, a better god is needed. But remember, you cannot
be over the Holy Trinity: ``They shouted, ``This is the voice of a god, not of a man.''
Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord
struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.'' Acts 12:22-23.

``The Lord is His name!'' Amos 5:8. So, the Lord is the name of God, but
God is not the name of God? Strange and inconsistent situation. Why is God a
title (or a profession) and not a name? There are many gods: ``there are
so-called gods.'' 1 Corinthians 8:5. And since God is the name, the rest of the
gods are false gods, having stolen God's name.

More in:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/360014214_INFINITIES_IN_RIEMANN_AND_ABC_CONJECTURES
 
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Ella S.

Ella S.

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No, the Biblical God of Abraham's name is not "God." God is a Germanic word that generally refers to any male deity. I think it's a mistranslation.

The actual words used to refer to God are "Yhwh Elohim" which is often translated as "Lord God" due to some conventions. The highest name of the god of Abraham is "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh," which has no real English translation.

Translating "Elohim" as "God" is odd to me because it's essentially used as a proper noun when it refers to the god of Abraham, even though it can also just mean "gods" in general. So either it's a proper name/title and should be left as-is or it's referring to gods in the plural, but translating it as "God" just seems off.

To be fair, we don't know how to pronounce the Tetragrammaton and the misuse of it is probably what the 10 commandments are forbidding when they say not to use the name of the Lord in vain. It's definitely not "Jehovah," though, and is probably closer to "Yahweh" or "Yao." Which is used frequently in Christian rock songs, such as "Yahweh" by U2, although Jews avoid trying to pronounce the Tetragrammaton to avoid sinning and because we don't know for sure how it's pronounced anymore, anyway.

That's where replacing the Tetragrammaton with Lord within religious contexts comes from, and then later simply referring to it as "The Name" in casual conversation. I am not a Jew, though, so I don't have those limitations.

ETA: At the same time, using the word "Jehovah" in English to refer to Yhwh is sort of like using the word "Jesus" to refer to Yeshua, which we already do, so it's not like using "Jehovah" is really that weird given our own cultural context. I try to refer to the god of Abraham as "Elohim," though, to be less offensive.

ETA2: To clarify, "Elohim" is also used as a title of other gods, too, so the Tetragrammaton is the actual name of the god of Abraham and "Elohim" is just his title, but it's a Hebrew title and the one most commonly used to refer to the deity
 
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paradox

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ChristineM said:
God is derived from the 6th century ad Germanic gott.
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maybe but "Elohim" translates to God, therefore saying that God's name is God is a matter of translation, that is it's not false statement.

Ella S. said:
Translating "Elohim" as "God" is odd to me because it's essentially used as a proper noun when it refers to the god of Abraham, even though it can also just mean "gods" in general. So either it's a proper name/title and should be left as-is or it's referring to gods in the plural, but translating it as "God" just seems off.
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exegesis - Why is "elohim" translated as "God" and not "gods"? - Christianity Stack Exchange
 
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rational experiences

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If Mr know it all. First just a baby. Grown into a man adult thinker. Listened to his father. A human.

He said father says no man is God.

So the word God is a word a man human uses to quote who he isn't.

To a theist life he says on earth living as a human... our type of biology in the nature garden. Is because ice as a large body gets sacrificed to cool gases and water.

Keeps it holy.

So just thinking natural holy life first said God is the highest term to conditions cold cooled conditions. As without cooling or cold we would not exist.

Said it by a science term. To think as a man.

O time a circuit between two balances in a man's life is by cold clear dark and light. Spirit gas.

O earth God planet sealed. If it's not sealed it attacks me. Sealed by cold.

O a cycle movement around the light O a sun.

Descriptive analogy science by thinking said O held cooling was by G the spiralling motion of O. O splits into DD then cools to become OO.

Theism. Natural man's thoughts first as natural science terms. What G O D meant to him.

Why you can't give GOD any other name as the symbols was the word by the letter. The letter owned the seal as a word of the greatest state.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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paradox said:
maybe but "Elohim" translates to God, therefore saying that God's name is God is a matter of translation, that is it's not false statement.


exegesis - Why is "elohim" translated as "God" and not "gods"? - Christianity Stack Exchange
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I never said it was a false statement, i said it was derived from the 6th century grtmanic word gott. (Which incidentally transltes from even older Indo-European)


So a 4500 year old word translates to the translation of 1400 year old word. Its still only a 1400 year old word.

It certainly isn't the original name, as @Viker said. It's more a title (a modern title) than a name
 
paradox

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ChristineM said:
So a 4500 year old word translates to the translation of 1400 year old word. Its still only a 1400 year old word.
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There might have been an even older translation or word for "Elohim" but succumbed to archaism.

I think translation doesn't mean changing the name.
In hebrew God presented hims self as "El-Shaddai" genesis 17:1
El Shaddai - Wikipedia
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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ChristineM said:
God is derived from the 6th century ad Germanic gott.
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``The Lord is His name!'' Amos 5:8. So, the Lord is the name of God, but
God is not the name of God? Strange and inconsistent situation. Why is God a
title (or a profession) and not a name? There are many gods: ``there are
so-called gods.'' 1 Corinthians 8:5. And since God is the name, the rest of the
gods are false gods, having stolen God's name.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
paradox said:
There might have been an even older translation or word for "Elohim" but succumbed to archaism.

I think translation doesn't mean changing the name.
In hebrew God presented hims self as "El-Shaddai" genesis 17:1
El Shaddai - Wikipedia
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God is not a name but a job description. However people may call Woden, Aphrodite, Heracles, El etc whatever they want, really sont care, i was simply pointing out the word god is a later addition to the lexicon of names
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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ChristineM said:
God is not a name but a job
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pearl said:
God is not a name, but a stand in for the Mystery.
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``The Lord is His name!'' Amos 5:8. So, the Lord is the name of God, but
God is not the name of God? Strange and inconsistent situation. Why is God a
title (or a profession or a class of beings, like dog is not a name, but the
description of the group of animals) and not a name? There are many gods: ``there are
so-called gods.'' 1 Corinthians 8:5. And since God is the name, the rest of the
gods are false gods, having stolen God's name.
I'll come to the Last Judgment, and God will say,
``Bob, or Bob! What you have done?! You have been called me God, but I'm Jehovah!''
 
TiggerII

TiggerII

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The translators of the KJV understood God's only personal name as "Jehovah" (Ps. 83:18, KJV). So it, like "Jesus," "Joshua," "Joseph," and many other personal names became a part of the English language. The KJV translators, for whatever reason, acknowledged this personal name of God in only a few places, but "translated" the remaining 6000 or so other places it is found in the OT Hebrew text as "LORD" (which is neither an honest translation or transliteration).
 
TiggerII

TiggerII

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WalterTrull said:
Hmmm.... The name for my vision of God is 'Father' as in 'the source'
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"Father" is a title or description. It is not a personal name. I called my father "father," "dad," "papa," etc., but his only personal name was "William" (or abbreviated form, "Bill").

Our heavenly father has many titles/descriptions, but only one personal name: YHWH (abbreviated form "Yah") in Hebrew transliterated into "Jehovah" (or "Yahweh") in English. Look up Psalm 83:18 in the KJV.
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
It's My Birthday!
All words are names and labels and may become associated with many different experiences. Just don't order the burger then eat the listing in the menu.
 
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