God's rotation around the sun !!!?

[Joel1]

As I've noted elsewhere in some other discussions about Christianity, Jesus's family tree has a time span of 77 generations listed between his generation and Adam whom the Bible claims was the "first man" and Eve whom the Bible alleges was the mother of everybody. Reference: (Luke 3:23-38) (Genesis 3:20)

However, the Australian aborigines have evidently been in Australia for over a thousand consecutive generations. Reference: Aboriginal Australians - Wikipedia

There have been hundreds of generations of Native Americans between the time their common ancestry migrated from Asia until the time of Christ.
Reference: Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia

The Bible falsely claims there were only 77 generations between Christ and the first man; when people have indeed actually existed for thousands of generations, which proves the Bible and Christianity as being false.

Adam as being the first man and perpetrator of "original sin" is an important premise of Christianity. If Adam wasn't the first man, then there isn't actually any "origin sin". Jesus supposedly died on the Cross to save humankind from "original sin". If there isn't any "original sin" from which to be saved, then Jesus Christ's death on the Cross is pretty pointless and meaningless. Evidently, there were many generations of people prior to the 76th generation before Christ spawned by Adam. So then, Adam, Eve and original sin are mythological. There is neither any "first man" nor "original sin" throughout human evolution. Thus, Jesus Christ having died on the cross to save mankind from "original sin" is not reality but is rather quite mythological.

The first individual of the genus Homo-species formed from a couple of Australopithecus hetero zygotes, each of whom had the same type of chromosome rearrangements formed by fusion of the whole long arms of two acrocentric chromosomes, mated together and reproduced viable and fertile offspring with 46 chromosomes.

This first generation of Homo-habilis then incestuously bred with each other and reproduced the next subsequent generation of Homo-habilis.

References:

1. J. Tjio and A. Levan. 1956. The chromosome number of Man. Hereditas, 42( 1-2): 1-6.
2. W. Ijdo et al.1991. Origin of human chromosome 2: an ancestral telomere-telomere fusión. PNAS, 88: 9051-9056.
3. Meyer et al. 2012 A high-coverage genome sequence from an archaic Denisovan individual. Science, 338:222-226.; K. H. Miga. 2016. Chromosome-specific Centromere sequences provide an estímate of the Ancestral Chromosome 2 Fusion event in Hominin Genome.Journ. of Heredity. 1-8. Doi:10.1093/jhered/esw039.

Therefore, the first living breathing human being was never directly formed out of dirt/clay by God/Allah as the Bible/Quran falsely claims.

Former Christians and Ex-Muslims, who have this understanding of how humans precisely evolved , know the Biblical and Islamic tales of Creation are mythological rather than factual.


These myths are the made-up stories of ancient nomadic tribesmen rather than God's word

Well I do believe that the earth has been around for roughly 6,000 years from creation to now, but how old the earth actually is really isn't were I base my belief in Christianity.

The real basis of Christianity is whether or not Jesus was who he says he was. If we were to look at the life of Jesus and the claims that he made about himself in the bible, we can come to find that Jesus was one of three things. Either he was a liar, in which case he was not at all a moral man and not a great teacher, two that he was a lunatic and honestly believed that he was God incarnate which if true means that again he could not be a good teacher, and the last thing is that he is God and that the claims that he made about himself are true which would mean that he wasn't only a great teacher but God himself on earth.

 

[Salvador]

Well I do believe that the earth has been around for roughly 6,000 years from creation to now, but how old the earth actually is really isn't were I base my belief in Christianity.

The real basis of Christianity is whether or not Jesus was who he says he was. If we were to look at the life of Jesus and the claims that he made about himself in the bible, we can come to find that Jesus was one of three things. Either he was a liar, in which case he was not at all a moral man and not a great teacher, two that he was a lunatic and honestly believed that he was God incarnate which if true means that again he could not be a good teacher, and the last thing is that he is God and that the claims that he made about himself are true which would mean that he wasn't only a great teacher but God himself on earth.

There's another more likely possibility for consideration:

Jesus Christ was created in a lab test tube by extraterrestrial scientists. (Angels) They extracted nuclei from the fibroblasts of an aborted human fetus and inserted this into an egg cell (ova) that had its own nuclei removed. The extraterrestrial scientists (Angels) used two enzymes to erase the epigenetic memory of the transferred nuclei of having been somatic cells. The extraterrestrial geneticist (Gabriel) then put the ova into the surrogate mother Mary, resulting in her pregnancy, that'd produced the physical body of Christ.

 

[Firemorphic]

Well I do believe that the earth has been around for roughly 6,000 years from creation to now, but how old the earth actually is really isn't were I base my belief in Christianity.

The real basis of Christianity is whether or not Jesus was who he says he was. If we were to look at the life of Jesus and the claims that he made about himself in the bible, we can come to find that Jesus was one of three things. Either he was a liar, in which case he was not at all a moral man and not a great teacher, two that he was a lunatic and honestly believed that he was God incarnate which if true means that again he could not be a good teacher, and the last thing is that he is God and that the claims that he made about himself are true which would mean that he wasn't only a great teacher but God himself on earth.

I think it's more likely that we was just a radical rebel trying to bring things back to the Torah, preaching monotheism and inner, self-knowledge.

 

[Joel1]

There's another more likely possibility for consideration:

Jesus Christ was created in a lab test tube by extraterrestrial scientists. (Angels) They extracted nuclei from the fibroblasts of an aborted human fetus and inserted this into an egg cell (ova) that had its own nuclei removed. The extraterrestrial scientists (Angels) used two enzymes to erase the epigenetic memory of the transferred nuclei of having been somatic cells. The extraterrestrial geneticist (Gabriel) then put the ova into the surrogate mother Mary, resulting in her pregnancy, that'd produced the physical body of Christ.

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Well what do you think is the most likely possibility for Jesus and what he says?

 

[Joel1]

I think it's more likely that we was just a radical rebel trying to bring things back to the Torah, preaching monotheism and inner, self-knowledge.

Well when we examine the teachings of Jesus, we can find that Jesus never actually talked about inner, self-knowledge. And Jesus does not only talk about Just the Torah but the entire old testament.

 

[Salvador]

His Ascension into Heaven reveals more of His true nature than a thousand words.

 

[Joel1]

His Ascension into Heaven reveals more of His true nature than a thousand words.

Could you elaborate on that a bit more.

 

[Salvador]

Could you elaborate on that a bit more.

Unlike other men of His era, Jesus Christ was not bound to Earth; therefore He might have been of an extraterrestrial origin.

 

[Joel1]

Unlike other men of His era, Jesus Christ was not bound to Earth, therefore He must have been of an extraterrestrial origin.

So your saying that his ascension into heaven is like a tractor beam pulling him into the sky and this proves that he isn't actually Human. well if this is true then what about the two "Angels" who appeared after his ascension who told of his return.

 

[Salvador]

So your saying that his ascension into heaven is like a tractor beam pulling him into the sky?

Not necessarily, he could've had a jetpack propelling Him to a nearby alien drone that then transported Him to a spacecraft.

 

[Joel1]

Not necessarily, he could've had a jetpack propelling Him to a nearby alien drone that then transported Him to a spacecraft.

But is this even plausible. I mean what proof is there really that he was an alien. And if he was why didn't he just prove it. I'm sorry but this doesn't seem to be very believable.

 

[Salvador]

But is this even plausible. I mean what proof is there really that he was an alien. And if he was why didn't he just prove it. I'm sorry but this doesn't seem to be very plausible.

Humanity wasn't and still isn't ready for the truth. Also, Jesus and those who sent Him may have wanted the belief of His Divinity to persist, so His message and teachings would have greater authority than that from a slightly more highly evolved biological being.

 

[Joel1]

Humanity wasn't and still isn't ready for the truth. Also, Jesus and those who sent Him may have wanted the belief of His Divinity to persist, so His message and teachings would have greater authority than that from a slightly more highly evolved biological being.

Do you believe in Christ's teachings?

 

[Salvador]

Do you believe in Christ's teachings?

I agree with Jesus Christ's teaching of "Do to others what you would have them do to you".

 

[Salvador]

But is this even plausible. I mean what proof is there really that he was an alien. And if he was why didn't he just prove it. I'm sorry but this doesn't seem to be very believable.

There is proof all of life's genetic coding was created by extraterrestrial intelligence!

There is indeed a mark of extraterrestrial intelligence in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s)with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.

Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our world leaders to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

 

[Joel1]

We

There is proof all of life's genetic coding was created by extraterrestrial intelligence!

There is indeed a mark of extraterrestrial intelligence in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s)with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.

Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our world leaders to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

well all those things are ok, though I must be honest in saying I only grasp the basics of what your saying, but even then what do you think happens when we die?

 

[Salvador]

We

well all those things are ok, though I must be honest in saying I only grasp the basics of what your saying, but even then what do you think happens when we die?

The same will happen to everybody when they die as before they were born. Every living being has been forever non-existent before he/she/it was born and he'll/she'll/it'll become eternally non-existent after ionic currents are no longer flowing across the neurons of his/her/its brain.

 

[Joel1]

The same will happen to everybody when they die as before they were born. Every living being has been forever non-existent before he/she/it was born and he'll/she'll/it'll become eternally non-existent after ionic currents are no longer flowing across the neurons of his/her/its brain.

well actually it's quite interesting that you would mention Ecclesiastes 9. For it is actually talking about how we should be working and living righteous lives, and enjoying the fruits of our labor (vs 7) for when we die there is no more that we can do and our knowledge, wisdom, work, or thoughts have no more use to us and are then stored away, and we will have to account for what we have done on the day of judgment (Revelations 20:12).