Good job, left!

[Dan From Smithville]

You guys have to make up your mind, was the right pro or against the covid shot? You can't have it both ways. Who pushed these things?

So you don't have any legitimate sources that I, and others, can read to draw our on conclusions. I didn't expect so.

Who are you guys?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I think there's 2 things to look at.

1. Whether something is objectively beneficial or not

2. Just consequences for not following.

If the government stated that anyone still using incandescent bulbs was not allowed to work or would he arrested, and if incandescent bulbs weren't as bad as they are, wouldn't it be a different story? What if there were risks to the new bulbs but the companies couldn't be held liable, and the bulbs were highly untested?

What if using the bulbs caused major changes in the evolution of humans and spiders? What if it caused the condition known as hotdog fingers? What if...?

 

[1137]

So you don't have any legitimate sources that I, and others, can read to draw our on conclusions. I didn't expect so.

Who are you guys?

You folks are legitimately as delusional as the Republicans. So the right is anti-Vax and also who pushed the vaccine and protected pharmaceutical companies huh?

What if using the bulbs caused major changes in the evolution of humans and spiders? What if it caused the condition known as hotdog fingers? What if...?

... what?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

You folks are legitimately as delusional as the Republicans.

What folks are these? I asked you for sources and instead of those, you roll into this nonsense.

So the right is anti-Vax and also who pushed the vaccine and protected pharmaceutical companies huh?

You tell me. You are posing as the expert here.

... what?

What if's are not evidence.

 

[Ponder This]

where companies can be held responsible for negative effects

Note: Companies received special exemption from liability for negative effects of their covid vaccinations during the pandemic. You cannot sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have a severe Covid vaccine side effect and the government is unlikely to compensate you for damages.

It was already incredibly difficult to file a suit or receive compensation for a negative reaction to any vaccine.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

. It's the left who created valid hesitation, such as companies not being held liable

Isn't that due to this:

Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This was legislation from the Bush administration and sponsored by Republicans.

 

[1137]

Isn't that due to this:

Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This was legislation from the Bush administration and sponsored by Republicans.

Nobody has ever shown me this in the past 3+ years, this might be the single greatest response I've received on the topic. Now this makes a lot of sense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You folks are legitimately as delusional as the Republicans. So the right is anti-Vax and also who pushed the vaccine and protected pharmaceutical companies huh?

... what?

Why can't you just provide some sources? Why all the tap dancing instead?

 

[Alien826]

I think there's 2 things to look at.

1. Whether something is objectively beneficial or not

2. Just consequences for not following.

If the government stated that anyone still using incandescent bulbs was not allowed to work or would he arrested, and if incandescent bulbs weren't as bad as they are, wouldn't it be a different story? What if there were risks to the new bulbs but the companies couldn't be held liable, and the bulbs were highly untested?

I don't know. For the record, here's a description of the regulation.

The rule passed by President Joe Biden’s Department of Energy in April 2022 states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness.


That effectively outlaws the manufacture and sale of common incandescent bulbs, the kind you screw into the vast majority of light sockets in your home. That’s because traditional incandescent bulbs provide just 15 lumens per watt, according to light bulb manufacturer Philips.


By contrast, most LED bulbs will get you 75 lumens per watt, or more.

So it's essentially similar to building regulations, for example. And it doesn't penalize the consumer or user, it just means that no more incandescent bulbs will be available. To your points, that covers your point #1, they are objectively beneficial ad point #2, I assume there are penalties for manufacturing and sale as with many things.

If you are referring to vaccinations in your last paragraph, I would say the track record covers point 1 and well, the penalties, if any, are admittedly somewhat confused.

 

[1137]

Why can't you just provide some sources? Why all the tap dancing instead?

I just have known some of you for close to a decade, and refuse to think so little about you that you can't piece together why the left aren't the shining becons of hope you think. I'm clearly still too idealistic.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I just have known some of you for close to a decade, and refuse to think so little about you that you can't piece together why the left aren't the shining becons of hope you think. I'm clearly still too idealistic.

Well, I didn't ask for anything showing that "the left are shining beacons of hope" that you supposedly think I think they are. (I don't.).

What I asked for was something showing that, "It's not even a matter of misinformation, it doesn't even matter that most vaccines are beneficial and safe. It matters how vaccines have been treated in recent years, and none of that falls on the right. The right provided stupidity and misinformation like vaccines causing autism. It's the left who created valid hesitation, such as companies not being held liable, bad data, mandates, etc."

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I just have known some of you for close to a decade, and refuse to think so little about you that you can't piece together why the left aren't the shining becons of hope you think. I'm clearly still too idealistic.

So your failure to be able to provide sources isn't your fault. It is the fault of people that ask for them and you get to insult their intelligence for not having those sources to boot.

That is outstanding.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Whooping cough, anthrax, rabies, tuberculosis,
hepatitis, shingles, HPV, diptheria, tetanus, etc,
etc.....they can't be all that bad because I don't
know anyone who died from them.

Tongue firmly in cheek (never mind which cheek) -- I'm guessing. Thing is, I do know people who have died from some of those. I postponed my shingles shot -- and guess what?!?

I had the flu 25 years ago, and was hospitalized as it very nearly did kill me -- haven't missed a flu shot since (at 75, I get a high-dose shot). And I've now how had 6th COVID vaccine.

Vaccines are far, far from frightening to me -- they are, rather, things I look forward to so I can continue this journey for just a little longer.

 

[F1fan]

You guys have to make up your mind, was the right pro or against the covid shot? You can't have it both ways. Who pushed these things?

They were on both sides. Some advocated for the shot, including Trump once he realized it was a bad message to deny vaccinations, and some were anti-vax, mostly for political reasons. This is why they vilified Fauci.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

They were on both sides. Some advocated for the shot, including Trump once he realized it was a bad message to deny vaccinations, and some were anti-vax, mostly for political reasons. This is why they vilified Fauci.

All in one of the most insane exhibitions of governmental stupidity that I think the world has ever seen! Here, have a nice glass of bleach. Put your mask on! No, take it off! I wanna be free to do what I want! (Even if it kills somebody?) Yeah, as long as its not me!

Fauci's only big mistake during this time was to not stand there on screen in front of all America in early 2020 and say, "Don't listen to the Organgutan pretending to be President -- He's an idiot!"

 

[1137]

Well, I didn't ask for anything showing that "the left are shining beacons of hope" that you supposedly think I think they are. (I don't.).

What I asked for was something showing that, "It's not even a matter of misinformation, it doesn't even matter that most vaccines are beneficial and safe. It matters how vaccines have been treated in recent years, and none of that falls on the right. The right provided stupidity and misinformation like vaccines causing autism. It's the left who created valid hesitation, such as companies not being held liable, bad data, mandates, etc."

So your failure to be able to provide sources isn't your fault. It is the fault of people that ask for them and you get to insult their intelligence for not having those sources to boot.

That is outstanding.

If you want to keep pretending it was the right calling for lockdowns, mandates, etc go right ahead. The only way to support either side is to be willfully ignorant anyways. I just thought better of the people here but that's my mistake.

Pro tip common knowledge doesn't require citations.

 

[1137]

I recant my op and concede. This was a team effort, good job both sides on ****ing the people.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If you want to keep pretending it was the right calling for lockdowns, mandates, etc go right ahead. The only way to support either side is to be willfully ignorant anyways. I just thought better of the people here but that's my mistake.

Instead of trying to put words in my mouth (this is the 2nd time now) just back up your claim, dude.

Pro tip common knowledge doesn't require citations.

Pro-tip: Just declaring something is "common knowledge" doesn't make it so. Particularly when there are a bunch of people asking you what you're talking about.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

If you want to keep pretending it was the right calling for lockdowns, mandates, etc go right ahead.

I didn't pretend or claim anything. I asked for the sources that you base your claim on. Nothing untoward or out of bounds.

You know nothing of my personal views and asking for references or sources isn't a tell. It is reasonable and rational. You should try that some time.

The only way to support either side is to be willfully ignorant anyways. I just thought better of the people here but that's my mistake.

I certainly have learned not to think better of you.

Pro tip common knowledge doesn't require citations.

You're really amusing.

You didn't make a claim that is based on common knowledge.

Pro tip, don't make claims you can't back up.

If you do state a personal opinion and don't have references, a pro would acknowledge that.