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Got curious about something... (regards abortion and father`s duties)
- Thread starter Me Myself
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McBell
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Yes, you are.
Me Myself
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In other words, it is not at all a law "against women" if women were not allowed to abort, is it?
Me Myself
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So if we want true equal rights, and if we are saying that the zygote is not a human being, the men should have legal rights to renounce to the zygote or the baby the same way the woman has the legal right to not only renounce but kill him.
So in reality, this not only gives women the choice to have the baby or not, but forces men into paying for something they never agreed upon.
So in reality, this not only gives women the choice to have the baby or not, but forces men into paying for something they never agreed upon.
McBell
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You talk about equal rights whilst throwing out the fact that it is the woman, not the man, who carries the fetus to term...
Care to try again?
The man agreed upon the second he stuck his penis into a vagina.
McBell
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um...
Huh?
Me Myself
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So what? She is choosing to. If the zygote is truly a "thing" or not human being, then she chose to carry it knowing full well the effects. the woman would be sacrificing 9 months, the man would be sacrificing as long as the child has 18.
Most pro-choicers don`t . Neverheard of any one night stand where they agree that if a baby results, the man is paying half of it.
McBell
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Just like he chose engage in an activity that might produce a pregnancy...
To bad that line won't get you out of child support if you make a baby...
Me Myself
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The woman did too.
I see the woman takes responsability if she wants but the man is forced to.
McBell
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and?
I fail to see the problem.
Is this whole thread nothing more than you crying "it's not fair"?
Me Myself
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it is an invitation to debate abut it, if you don`t care to, you may leave
Fairness is of basic importance in morality and it is regularly claimed as such by pro choicers.
McBell
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debate about what, exactly?it is an invitation to debate abut it, if you don`t care to, you may leave
Fairness is of basic importance in morality and it is regularly claimed as such by pro choicers.
So far this thread seems to be nothing more than you saying "it's not fair" and seemingly getting up set cause no one is patting you on the back telling you it is alright.
Me Myself
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If you know it is unfair, then you agree the laws regarding it should change?
Do you like unfair laws?
What is more unfair?
etc
If you can`t see topics to debate you may want to put the hood back and also the shiny red lanterns in your eyes, they seem to be blinding you
McBell
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I never made any claims to it being unfair.If you know it is unfair, then you agree the laws regarding it should change?
Do you like unfair laws?
What is more unfair?
etc
If you can`t see topics to debate you may want to put the hood back and also the shiny red lanterns in your eyes, they seem to be blinding you
it all seems rather simple to me, if a guy does not want the possibility of his having to pay child support, stop having sex with women.
The whole "the guy should be able to run around sticking his penis into every willing vagina with absolutely no consequences or responsibility" defense does not help your argument.
Me Myself
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Then it is very simple to see that is part of the debate.
I don`t see why not. You are saying that the men have less rights than the women to have heterosexual sex. Or that their rights are more punishable, which ends up being roughly the same.
I propose both of them would have responsability, you propose only the male one.
McBell
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You really need to work on either your reading comprehension skills or stop trying to read what you want between the lines.
Alceste
Vagabond
I'll tell you what's not fair. Stretch marks, labor, and vaginal tearing.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I once heard: 'if a woman does not want the possibility of having to support a child, stop having sex with men.'.
Still, it looks like this wasn't enough to prevent abortion from becoming legal in some places...
You can't really be in favour of ( nearly ) any sort of abortion and at the same time use this kind of line.
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Right on! :yes:
Shadow Wolf
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You decided to have sex, you know sex can result in pregnancy, the child is half yours.
Why is it some guys think they have the option to opt out of taking responsibility for a child they helped make, even though opting out of responsibility in any other area in life is considered a very bad thing?
You agreed when you inserted your penis into her vagina. If a baby would be such a burden on your life and is something that you just do not at all want, then don't have sex because that is how they are made. It's no different than someone who knows they become violent when they get drunk, so they refrain from drinking even though they may not want to, but it's better than another assault and battery charge.
Why should men not have to "man up" and accept responsibility of their actions? Yes the woman is the one that has to carry to term, but it takes two to make a baby. It's like a two-man demolition crew causing a botched demolition that caused damage to nearby buildings, and one of them tries to dodge the consequences because it was the other guy that pushed the button even though both of them wired the explosives.
Or if you get drunk, drive home, hit someone, and try to get out of the consequences because that person you hit shouldn't have been at that particular place and particular time.