Gravity and the Expanding Universe

[ChristineM]

Yes, it is ever big business. However, it's the secular merchants - Revelation 18: 11 (not religious terrorism) who mourn the loss of the religious world.
And who is behind such terror is the behind-the-scenes terrorist aka megalomaniac Satan - Ezekiel 28:13-19

Who is behind it? Religious terrorist who believe what they are doing they do in the name of god. Don't go sloping shoulders to shift the blame onto the good guy.

I say good guy, compared to the abrahamic god satan is a saint

Murder count according to the bible

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Objectively from an independent perspective without judgement of the diverse and conflicting beliefs using your measure all Christians would be in name only though many of the different denominations accuse others of being Christians in name only.

I would like to think that the reason a person belongs to a religion is because they believe it is the right one.
Th Pharisees disagreed with Jesus, but their being sincere in their beliefs did Not make them right according to Jesus - Matthew chapter 23.
Growing together since the end of the first century are both the genuine 'wheat ' Christians along with the fake ' weed/tares' Christians.
They both grow together until the Harvest. The Harvest Time or the soon coming Time of Separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37.
Jesus, as King of God's Kingdom - Daniel 2:44, is the one who will do the separating at this time between the genuine and the fake.......

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Who is behind it? Religious terrorist who believe what they are doing they do in the name of god. Don't go sloping shoulders to shift the blame onto the good guy.
I say good guy, compared to the abrahamic god satan is a saint
Murder count according to the bible

During the two (2) world wars the Abrahamic God was Not backing wars (Christendom did a lot of the backing) leading to how many deaths.
- http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Who is behind it? Religious terrorist who believe what they are doing they do in the name of god. Don't go sloping shoulders to shift the blame onto the good guy.
I say good guy, compared to the abrahamic god satan is a saint
Murder count according to the bible

During the two (2) world wars the Abrahamic God was Not backing wars (Christendom did a lot of the backing) leading to how many deaths.
- http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

 

[ChristineM]

Well, I'd be a day late and a dollar short given that what I said is exactly what the last 2 chapters in Revelation already say.

Ahh so you say John the Elder new what gods thinks and you are just copying. Ok

Interesting take away.

Pretty accurate take really

I need to convince you? That's above my pay grade.

OK so you can't convince me. Fair enough

Then I'm happy for you.

Thanks

So that's how God thinks! I stand corrected - NOT!

Nope, thats how i think (call me god if you want), based on my knowledge of how 1st century Rome worked

 

[ChristineM]

During the two (2) world wars the Abrahamic God was Not backing wars (Christendom did a lot of the backing) leading to how many deaths.
- http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Hitler believed that god was backing him

But pretty irrelevant in terms if terrorism

 

[ecco]

Of course I admit the OT was written by people based on their knowledge at that time.

RE: How about the stories of Adam & Eve and Cain and Abel and Noah and the Ark? Are you admitting that these are just made-up stories also?​

No.

That is contradictory. If you acknowledge that the OT was written by "people based on their knowledge at that time", and you insist that Genesis is fact, then you must explain how these people knew what God did on what days and how these people knew all of the other facts detailed in Genesis.

I await your response.

 

[shunyadragon]

I would like to think that the reason a person belongs to a religion is because they believe it is the right one.

There lies the obvious problem. The view of the believer toward those who believe differently in your case is an extreme separation of the subjective claim of Truth, which is problematic from a more objective perspective.

The Pharisees disagreed with Jesus, but their being sincere in their beliefs did Not make them right according to Jesus - Matthew chapter 23. Growing together since the end of the first century are both the genuine 'wheat ' Christians along with the fake ' weed/tares' Christians.
They both grow together until the Harvest. The Harvest Time or the soon coming Time of Separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37.
Jesus, as King of God's Kingdom - Daniel 2:44, is the one who will do the separating at this time between the genuine and the fake.......

Yes, as you believe, but nonetheless others who believe differently think you represent weeds, and they are the wheat. From the fallible human perspective such a distinction is problematic. You cite scriptures to justify your view, but so do others who take exception to your claim.

 

[ecco]

I couldn't give a rat's a*s about what the compilers thought. Here's what the scriptures actually say:

John 5:39,

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Care to twist that around to say the scriptures are not about Jesus?

You really do need to be concerned about what the compilers did and did not do. If the compilers had left out the stories written by "John" you would not be able to show that self-serving quote.


You also need to explain how "John" and others could repeatedly quote the exact words of Jesus.

Did "Matthew" take down the exact words (about 1300) of the Sermon on the Mount in shorthand?

Or did someone make up the entire story complete with extensive quotes?

I await your response.

 

[ecco]

Then you are going to be in for quite a shock when the powers that be will suddenly turn on the religious world starting with un-faithful Christendom.
( 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3)
So, it is a good time to remind that ignoring such Scripture is what is wrong.

Suddenly? You guys have been pushing that fairy tale for 2000 years now:

“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
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On the other hand, there are people who believe this has already happened:

List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia
Verses in the Christian Bible tell that Jesus will come again in some fashion; various people have claimed to, in fact, be the second coming of Jesus. Others have been styled a new messiah still under the umbrella of Christianity. The Synoptic gospels (Matthew 24:4, 6, 24; Mark 13:5, 21-22; and Luke 21:3) all use the term pseudochristos for messianic pretenders.[19]

• Dositheos the Samaritan (mid 1st century), was one of the supposed founders of Mandaeanism. After the time of Jesus, he wished to persuade the Samaritans that he himself was the Messiah prophesied by Moses.[20] Dositheus pretended to be the Christ (Messiah), applying Deuteronomy 18:15 to himself, and he compares him with Theudas and Judas the Galilean.[20][21]
• Ann Lee (1736–1784), a central figure to the Shakers,[22] who thought she "embodied all the perfections of God" in female form and considered herself to be Christ’s female counterpart in 1772.[23]
• John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), who had achieved fame and followers as Sir William Courtenay and adopted the claim of Messiah after a period in a mental institute.[24]
• And the list goes on and on and on...

 

[ecco]

During the two (2) world wars the Abrahamic God was Not backing wars

Uh Huh.

The US and the Brits said they were fighting for God and Country.

The Nazis said "Gott mitt uns".

And God was saying: "Oh Goody, more of my minions fighting for my love".

 

[gnostic]

You have successfully revealed your agenda as a blanket condemnation of all theists, which a bias that colors everything you assert..


OK! Everything anyone believes is 'dependent on every individual' like the sky is Carolina Blue on a clear day at noon on the 4th of July. Your statement concerns what the Baha'i Faith teaches concerning science just How can the fact that 'The choice are dependent on every individual' be the anti-thesis of science?

Again . . . ou have successfully revealed your agenda as a blanket condemnation of all theists, which a bias that colors everything you assert.

No room for dialogue here.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.

What I have said, that in science, particularly with Evolution, some theists (among different religions) accept Evolution being factual due to the evidence that accompanied with the theory.

But there are theists (among different religions) who rejected Evolution, either because they don’t understand the science behind Evolution, or because they believe that Evolution undermine their respective religions.

Let’s say the categories these in two groups, A and B.

Some theists falls under group A, some under group B.

You would be in group A, you are theist, but you understand and accept Evolution to be factual. Many theists fall under this group, including other RF members who are theists too.

But there other theists who reject Evolution (group B), especially creationists and those creationists that hide behind ID propaganda. But there other different types of theists, among Muslims or Hindus who rejected Evolution.

You obviously don’t belong to group B.

Some Catholics accept Evolution, while there are other Catholics who reject Evolution. And it is the same every other Christian denominations (Protestants, Orthodox), some Christians accept, some reject.

I think there may be one or few others, which specifically have rule against Evolution, eg Jehovah’s Witnesses. You cannot be JW, and accept Evolution to be fact.

Not all Muslims reject Evolution, but there are some who do. Some Buddhists and Hindus fall under group A, while others in group B.

 

[exchemist]

Yes, it is ever big business. However, it's the secular merchants - Revelation 18: 11 (not religious terrorism) who mourn the loss of the religious world.
And who is behind such terror is the behind-the-scenes terrorist aka megalomaniac Satan - Ezekiel 28:13-19

Oh well, it makes a change from George Soros, Bill Gates and 5G masts, I suppose.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hitler believed that god was backing him But pretty irrelevant in terms if terrorism

...and if memory serves me right, Hitler also used astrology which is against God's will / purpose. Astrology dates back to ancient Babylon and Not to God.
Sure others also thought God was backing them, in one night one angel struck down 185,000 - 2 Kings 19:35.
Unfaithful Jerusalem in the year 70 thought they had God's backing, but that did Not stop the Roman armies from destroying un-faithful Jerusalem.
At the coming last war (Psalms 46:9) called Armageddon Jesus will angelic armies will also take action to rid the Earth of the wicked - Revelation 19:14-16

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Uh Huh.The US and the Brits said they were fighting for God and Country. The Nazis said "Gott mitt uns".
And God was saying: "Oh Goody, more of my minions fighting for my love".

I find it was the false (weed/tares) clergy of 'Christendom' blessing both sides of the war as if God was taking sides.
They even used the pulpit as a recruiting station so that parents would sacrifice their sons on the Altar of War as if that was same as the Altar of God.
False clergy on each side blessed their armies instead of obeying Jesus to put away the sword - Matthew 26:52 ; Revelation 13:10
Jesus and his followers were neutral in world affairs being No part of the world. They did Not even take sides in the issues of the day between the Jews and Romans.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Suddenly? You guys have been pushing that fairy tale for 2000 years now:

“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16:27-28)​

On the other hand, there are people who believe this has already happened:............................................

I notice you did Not continue reading from verse 28 to post to Matthew 17:9.
This is important because please notice the Bible teaches the transfiguration was a VISION (verse 9)
A VISION and Not a real happening The Son of Man (Jesus) comes in his Glory time at the coming time of Matthew 25:31-33 and Revelation 19:14-15.
The transfiguration VISION was a preview, a coming attraction about the future. The future of our day or time frame.

Please note Jesus clearly teaches at Luke 19:11-15 that the kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus would 'Not' appear immediately or suddenly !

So, to me it is Not ' you guys ' (Christians) but false clergy trying to keep people in the dark so that they will Not be part of the great crowd of Revelation 7:14; Revelation 7:9 who will make it through the coming great tribulation and see calendar Day One of Jesus' governing over Earth for a thousand years.

 

[shunyadragon]

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.

What I have said, that in science, particularly with Evolution, some theists (among different religions) accept Evolution being factual due to the evidence that accompanied with the theory.

But there are theists (among different religions) who rejected Evolution, either because they don’t understand the science behind Evolution, or because they believe that Evolution undermine their respective religions.

Some Catholics accept Evolution, while there are other Catholics who reject Evolution. And it is the same every other Christian denominations (Protestants, Orthodox), some Christians accept, some reject.

I think there may be one or few others, which specifically have rule against Evolution, eg Jehovah’s Witnesses. You cannot be JW, and accept Evolution to be fact.

Not all Muslims reject Evolution, but there are some who do. Some Buddhists and Hindus fall under group A, while others in group B.

I understood, but this is not meaningful, because the scripture of the ancient religions does not address the issue of science, and presents an ancient mythical view of the nature of our physical existence, and yes each individual is left to decide for themselves. It is obvious you do not understand what the different religions and churches including the Baha'i Faith teach concerning science. They lack the guidance from their scriptures to accept the science. As far as the Roman Church goes, the Pope states that evolution is in harmony with the teachings of the church, but and I mean a BIG but, the church Pope said the decision is up to the individual whether they believe it or not. Apparently you are ignorant of the details.

The Bible by the testimony of the apostles consider Genesis a literal record of Creation including a world flood.

The Baha'i Faith has specific guidance on accepting the evolving knowledge of science as the accepted authority for description of the physical nature of our physical existence. The understanding of scripture concerning the physical existence must be understood in the elight of science. The other religions lack this specific guidance, and yes everyone is on their own, but not entirely, because they have their scripture for guidance.

 

[ChristineM]

...and if memory serves me right, Hitler also used astrology which is against God's will / purpose. Astrology dates back to ancient Babylon and Not to God.
Sure others also thought God was backing them, in one night one angel struck down 185,000 - 2 Kings 19:35.
Unfaithful Jerusalem in the year 70 thought they had God's backing, but that did Not stop the Roman armies from destroying un-faithful Jerusalem.
At the coming last war (Psalms 46:9) called Armageddon Jesus will angelic armies will also take action to rid the Earth of the wicked - Revelation 19:14-16

I didn't say he was a good boy, he did a lot of things to aid his cause. That doesn't change his belief in god

 

[paarsurrey]

In your own words what do you think that atheism is?

My understanding is that they are non-believers as they failed to understand the truthful Religion, unreasonably, I understand. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Subduction Zone]

My understanding is that they are non-believers as they failed to understand the truthful Religion, unreasonably, I understand. Right, please?

Regards

You started off very well, but then you screwed the pooch. Let me fix that for you:

My understanding is that they are unbelievers since they understand the truth about religion. Please?