Gravity and the Expanding Universe

[rrobs]

That is just a little public ego masturbation.

Interesting idea, but no cigar. Wonder what made you bring up masturbation. Something on your mind?

 

[rrobs]

I believe this speaks volumes about your own insecurity...

Insecurity? You have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about. Maybe we could meet face to face some day and get to know each other. I'm confident that it would only take a day or two before you realized you were in the company of one of the most secure people you've ever met.

I used to think just like you. Now I realize how stupid I was.

 

[ecco]

Genuine ' wheat ' Christians do care about climate change.
God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth - Revelation 11:18 B, so real Christians would Not even think to litter.

"Real Christians"? Who decides who is and who is not a Real Christian? You?

Surely Evangelical Christians are Real Christians. No? Yet Evangelicals are leaders of the Climate Change Deniers.

Not the '2nd coming' any day now, because first we are informed that the ' final signal ', so to speak, is still ahead of us:

That's what you say, here and now. Other Christians say and have said very different things. Even here in RF. They also quote Biblical passages to support their contentions. Does your ego tell you you are right and the many others wrong?

 

[rrobs]

"Hebrew texts can be translated"? CAN BE? When can they be? When it suits your purpose?

No. Context, not my purposes, determines the meaning.

For example, the word "bank" can mean a building that holds money, a vertical uplift of the ground, or used to describe something that can be relied upon (you can "bank" on that).

Is that something new to you, or are you just looking for ways to insult me? If the latter, you've failed miserably. If it's the former, I'm glad to have educated you on the meaning of "context."

 

[rrobs]

You assert that scriptures are inspired by God. But you have absolutely no evidence for that. Quite the opposite. There is a lot of stuff in both OT and NT that point to the scriptures being written by men without any input from a knowledgeable entity. Ya know, things like the wood of a hitching post affecting the spots on a goat. There are also many examples in your scriptures that are thinly veiled copies of what other men believed and used as scripture. Things like birth to a virgin.

Ancient Boeotian bell-krater showing Zeus impregnating Danaë in the form of a shower of gold, circa 450-425 BC

You'd have to read them to understand them. As it is, I'm going to guess you don't even really know what they are about. There is a clear cut, 6th grade reading level, statement that tells exactly what they are about. If you don't know what it is, then of course you wouldn't understand them.

 

[ecco]

So what do you look forward to? Dying and that's that?

I have a lot to look forward to, while I'm alive And at some point I will cease to exist (die). I'm OK with that.

On the other hand...It's really sad that your God needs so many angels in heaven that he continues to kill little children by giving them cancers.

If I'm wrong about the future, I've lost nothing. But if you are wrong, you will have passed up a good opportunity. What do I have to loose? Nothing.

Your wrongness could be that you worshipped the wrong god. Perhaps Shiva (or whoever or whatever) will punish you more harshly for believing in a false god than me for believing in no god.

Ya never consider that, do ya?

The day before I became a Christian I wasn't one. Today could very well be like that for you. I hope so anyway and I'll pray for you to that end.

Pray away. It'll just be more proof that prayers are no more than the cigar smoke you spoke of.

I have a hard time believing that you, as a child, did not get an extensive introduction into god or gods or God.

 

[rrobs]

I sure don't know from any reading of the OT that supports your contention that there was another earth before this one.

I know you don't, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Not only is it in the OT, but there are several references in the NT. Try reading the Bible again and look for it.

 

[shunyadragon]

The natural laws...where did they come from?

Subduction Zone, a geologist for 50 years, a anti ID guy said they don't know. I didn't ask him where the energy, the original mass, of the universe came from, but maybe you would know.

Well as far as our solar system and the source of the energy for life it is originally the internal heat of the earth, and as life evolved the sun became the energy source also.

Continental drift is driven by cycles of the heat of the internal earth.

 

[rrobs]

Well as far as our solar system and the source of the energy for life it is originally the internal heat of the earth, and as life evolved the sun became the energy source also.

Continental drift is driven by cycles of the heat of the internal earth.

I was thinking of the energy needed to cause the original spreading out of matter, i.e. the big bang.

 

[ecco]

No. Context, not my purposes, determines the meaning.

For example, the word "bank" can mean a building that holds money, a vertical uplift of the ground, or used to describe something that can be relied upon (you can "bank" on that).

Is that something new to you, or are you just looking for ways to insult me? If the latter, you've failed miserably. If it's the former, I'm glad to have educated you on the meaning of "context."

Golly Gee Mr. Rrobs. How can I ever thank you. I sure didn't understand the concept of "context" until you explained it to me.

For context, the above is sarcasm.



But do you remember the "context" in which you used the phrase "can be"? You said: "Hebrew texts can be translated". The clear implication is that usually they are not translated the way you wish.

That's why I asked: "When can they be? When it suits your purpose?"

Try actually answering my question. Your silly lecture was nothing more than a lame attempt to create a diversion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You might Google Images for apes and people. Look closely and you'll see a difference. You might also go to a zoo and try to carry on a conversation about cosmology with an ape or two.You'll understand the difference between people and apes.

I have. You should practice what you preach. Like it or not you are an ape. You may look different than other apes, but then orangutans look different than other apes. Gorillas look different than other apes. Chimps look different than other apes. Guess what people, chimps, gorillas, and orangutans all have in common? They are all great apes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What, exactly, is pointless about asking where natural laws came from? Don't scientists ask just such questions?

Don't dodge, that is dishonest. Scientists have a valid reason when they ask questions. They can demonstrate it. Why can't you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know you don't, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Not only is it in the OT, but there are several references in the NT. Try reading the Bible again and look for it.

Actually those attempts are almost always trying to reinterpret verses taken out of context. But context seems to be a major problem for literalists. They simply cannot understand their own book of myths due to this failing.

 

[ppp]

Interesting idea, but no cigar.

Heh. Cigar.

Wonder what made you bring up masturbation.

The narcissism of your thinking that everyone is secretly drawn to your genitalia.

 

[shunyadragon]

I was thinking of the energy needed to cause the original spreading out of matter, i.e. the big bang.

Quantum Mechanics and gravity forming either a singularity of a Black hole. We can see Black Holes forming now in our universe merging and growing larger. It is possible that they can for the another universe.

Current physics and Cosmological research predicts the possible formation of a universe by the expansion of a rather immense Black Hole.

 

[shunyadragon]

I know you don't, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Not only is it in the OT, but there are several references in the NT. Try reading the Bible again and look for it.

The description of Creation is an ancient religious description and no claim of being a scientific description of the origins of out physical existence.

 

[ecco]

You'd have to read them to understand them. As it is, I'm going to guess you don't even really know what they are about. There is a clear cut, 6th grade reading level, statement that tells exactly what they are about. If you don't know what it is, then of course you wouldn't understand them.

Actually, it was before the sixth grade that I realized that the Bible stories were just that - stories. Not very good stories. Not very convincing stories.

As I got older I read a lot more of the stories and understood more about the people who wrote them. In turn, I understood a lot more about the people who actually believe them.

Practically no believers, even just on RF, agree to what extent the stories are true.

For example, I have never heard anyone besides you say there was an earth before this one. Everyone makes up their own stories to justify the extent of their level of belief in the Bible stories.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually, it was before the sixth grade that I realized that the Bible stories were just that - stories. Not very good stories. Not very convincing stories.

As I got older I read a lot more of the stories and understood more about the people who wrote them. In turn, I understood a lot more about the people who actually believe them.

Practically no believers, even just on RF, agree to what extent the stories are true.

For example, I have never heard anyone besides you say there was an earth before this one. Everyone makes up their own stories to justify the extent of their level of belief in the Bible stories.

I have heard that one, but it is from cherry picking verses. There are all sorts of weird beliefs that one can come up with when one cherry picks.

If he provides verses I predict that they will be only single verses instead of full fledged stories from the Bible. When someone cherry picks the Bible it is always fun to point out that 15 times it says "there is no God".

 

[ecco]

I know you don't, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Not only is it in the OT, but there are several references in the NT. Try reading the Bible again and look for it.

I wouldn't waste my time. You want me to find stuff to justify your beliefs. That's funny.

The thing about the Bible, as with holy scriptures in general, is there is so much nonsense that anyone can make up just about anything and find justification if they just stretch the words a little. As you yourself asserted: "Hebrew texts can be translated...".

You interpret one way. Another Christian interprets another way. Still another Christian interprets still another way. And when all is said and done, you all insist that your way is the right way.

Of course, it's not just Christians. Jews and Muslims and Hindus all do it with their holy writings and all insist their interpretation is the right interpretation of the only one true holy scripture, the one they subscribe to.

 

[ratiocinator]

Insecurity? You have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about. Maybe we could meet face to face some day and get to know each other. I'm confident that it would only take a day or two before you realized you were in the company of one of the most secure people you've ever met.

Well it was a bit tongue-in-cheek actually - you were trying to tell other people what they thought so I thought I'd return the favour - but it does look rather as if I hit a nerve.

I used to think just like you. Now I realize how stupid I was.

I could say exactly the same to you - except I was never so insecure that I had to pretend that other people knew the 'truth' deep down, really. I was young and foolish (early teens) when I was indoctrinated but it took me years to think myself out of it. It's a horribly pernicious meme.