Regarding God? I don't believe. There could be a God out there, but I have not seen sufficient evidence for her.
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Gravity and the Expanding Universe
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Regarding God? I don't believe. There could be a God out there, but I have not seen sufficient evidence for her.
paarsurrey
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I agree with one.
Why leave to chance when it is not the cause?
And "The Big Bang was Caused by Natural Laws " set to work to cut the long narration short "by G-d" when He commanded the word "Be", so it started happenings. Right, please?
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[6:74] وَ ہُوَ الَّذِیۡ خَلَقَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ بِالۡحَقِّ ؕ وَ یَوۡمَ یَقُوۡلُ کُنۡ فَیَکُوۡنُ ۬ؕ قَوۡلُہُ الۡحَقُّ ؕ وَ لَہُ الۡمُلۡکُ یَوۡمَ یُنۡفَخُ فِی الصُّوۡرِ ؕ عٰلِمُ الۡغَیۡبِ وَ الشَّہَادَۃِ ؕ وَ ہُوَ الۡحَکِیۡمُ الۡخَبِیۡرُ ﴿۷۴﴾
And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in accordance with the requirements of wisdom; and the day He says, ‘Be!’, it will be. His word is the truth, and His will be the kingdom on the day when the trumpet will be blown. He is the Knower of the unseen and the seen. And He is the Wise, the All-Aware.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 6: Al-An`am
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
OK, so? Why is it not possible to be 'unborn'?
That is where 'Ex-niholo' comes to help. Existence is double phased (IMHO, and as pointed to in RigVeda, or like the virtual particles). It also has a non-existent phase. If you say it always exists, it disappears. If you say it does not exist, then it spreads its beautiful carpet before your eyes.
I think it is quite likely that the universe has 'always existed'.
But there are two different ways to read that phrase:
1. That the universe has existed whenever there has been time. I consider this to be almost certain.
2. That time is infinite into the past and the universe has existed for all that time. I see this as likely, but not certain.
One thing to realize is that time is part of the universe. It is not something outside of the universe. In fact, the best way to discuss the universe is by considering it through all space and all time. It is one, four-dimensional entity, NOT a series of three dimensional events throughout time.
From this perspective, the universe of spacetime simply exists. It has no beginning and no end simply because 'beginning' and 'end' are time-concepts and are only meaningful *within* the universe.
Causality, as well, only makes sense within time. hence, it only makes sense within the universe of spacetime. And, again, that means the universe of spacetime cannot have a cause. it simply exists.
Okay. Then yes, answers tend to lead to questions, which tend to lead to answers.
I don't know what that had to do with my prior comment though.
paarsurrey
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Please quote from the RigVeda.It cannot just exist. It has to have a cause to originate and exist. Otherwise it will be no different from an unborn (Bahai Allah). That is where 'Ex-niholo' comes to help. Existence is double phased (IMHO, and as pointed to in RigVeda, or like the virtual particles). It also has a non-existent phase. If you say it always exists, it disappears. If you say it does not exist, then it spreads its beautiful carpet before your eyes.
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exchemist
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Aha, Heidegger.
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
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I understand that when we are discussing about Universe "something" and or "nothing" are of "within the Universe/s", but the real Creator is beyond this Universe/s, He is the Creator of both "Something and "Nothing" of the Universe/s as I understand. Right, please?
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If the 'creator' exists, the question of why it exists is still open.
Even the theist has no answer to why there is something (a creator) rather than nothing.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
It is a question of evidence, not of possible or not possible.
Perhaps yes, but that does not answer 'why?' God of theists also has 'always existed', and we ask 'why?'.
Right, but was there a time when there was no time?
I have left the answer for my future great-great-grandchildren. Not great-grandchildren, for my granddaughter is 23 and thinking of marriage the next summer, so the great-grandchild may be coming soon.
No, there was no time when there was no time.
To answer the question 'why' requires a cause. But a cause requires change and therefore time. But time is part of the universe.
So there is no answer to 'why' the universe exists. It simply does.
In science 'chance is not a 'cause,' Natural Laws are the cause of the nature of our physical existence. There is no evidence of 'chance(?)' involved.
This is a religious belief, which I believe including the vastness of our physical existence of multiverses beyond our universe, but nonetheless science is descriptive of our physical existence and not the existence nor involvement of Gods, nor spiritual worlds beyond our physical existence.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You are saying that very confidently. What about in the innards of a black-hole? We do not have the answers now. Perhaps our future generations will solve the mystery (with evidence, not with God's word or a book).
"sato bandhumasati niravindan hṛidi pratīṣyākavayo manīṣā ll"
Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.
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firedragon
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I do not know for sure. Perhaps a time will come when we will know what was before the universe when we solve the singularity problem. Sure, there is no answer at the moment and I am not looking for an answer right now.
"Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent."
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.
"All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated."
Bg. 2.28
Counter-question, why it should be assumed without evidence that it always existed? Was it a small one in the beginning, a point universe? If it was small at one time, if it is expanding with the speed of light at the moment, then it could also have a beginning.
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rrobs
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Any ideas on what may have caused it?
Oh, I have no idea. In fact I don't know if it "began" at all.
Heyo
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In a way, we do know how a Black Hole looks from the inside. We are living in one.
A Black Hole is defined by it's Schwarzschild radius which is dependent on the mass. I we measure the mass in the universe and calculate the Schwarzschild radius it is bigger than the visible universe.
rrobs
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Technically, there is no such thing as blind faith. Faith is synonymous with trust. I have faith in things I trust, things which I know to be reliable. I have faith my best friend would repay me the $100 I lent him. I would not be as prone to lend a complete stranger a $100 since I would have no idea of his character.
Having said that, the OP is not about blind faith in God. It is about blind faith in thinking one could reliably hit a 1 inch target at the opposite end of the universe.