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Greed is good?

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Yeah. That makes sense. What you in Italy mean when you say “liberal” or “liberalism”, is what Americans would normally call “libertarianism”. People with an “Us first, laissez-faire” approach, which is adopted these days by the most witless of the conservatives, who still wish to live in a non-connected world. :rolleyes:
Too late for that kiddies.;)
 

JIMMY12345

Active Member
Some of us may still remember Michael Douglas in the movie Wall Street where he uttered the infamous line "Greed is good."

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Such attitudes were common for that era, and still continue to persist to this day. But some people knew that, eventually, there would be consequences for such arrogant, cavalier, dangerously myopic attitudes.

Such as...

Panama:

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Sri Lanka:

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Chile:

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Paris:

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And even in the U.S.:

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Some might attribute these disturbances and signs of unrest as caused by some flashpoint event (such as an act of police brutality or other atrocity) or some temporary crisis (such as the pandemic or the Russia-Ukraine war). However, I would suggest that the underlying causes go much deeper, with roots going much further back than the past couple of years.
 

JIMMY12345

Active Member
Perhaps we form two groups on this thread
A agree that Greed is good
B agree that greed is bad.
Although that remains is for group B to give group A all their money. Everyone will be then happy.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
They think that if someone is rich, they must be good and moral and are rewarded by god. Boy, that is opposite of what Jesus had to say.
I do believe that is a hangover from days of old when a bountiful harvest was seen as an indication of being in Jehovah's favor.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
I don’t really see how an economy which only benefits a small minority of people, is of any real value to society in general. Whereas societal breakdown tends to impact negatively on all of society, including the rich and privileged behind their walls and their barbed wire.
So it should serve the lazy also? Those rich people employ millions BTW. That benefits society.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Yes, only it's not as open as it could be. It's serving those with ambition to succeed.

It serves those who are aggressive, manipulative, mendacious, and violent. If that's the kind of system you want, then it's your choice, but that means you lose any moral standing if you complain about rioters, insurrectionists, revolutionaries, terrorists - or anyone else who lives by the same rules of the capitalists and other social Darwinists.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Perhaps we form two groups on this thread
A agree that Greed is good
B agree that greed is bad.
Although that remains is for group B to give group A all their money. Everyone will be then happy.

That wouldn't really change the overall situation.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
It serves those who are aggressive, manipulative, mendacious, and violent. If that's the kind of system you want, then it's your choice, but that means you lose any moral standing if you complain about rioters, insurrectionists, revolutionaries, terrorists - or anyone else who lives by the same rules of the capitalists and other social Darwinists.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Someone who is good at business is a terrorist in your mind?
That's just insane.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
It's sad that we persist in engaging in a system that pits us all against each other and wastes massive amounts of resources and energy on competition and needless stockpiling that could have been put to positive result through cooperation. And it's stunning to me that humanity is still too stupid, apparently, to see and understand this.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It is so strange that the movie that has shaped my views on neo-liberism is You've got mail.
Yes...it was a movie that really shocked and moved me, since it is so realistic.
And since then, I have started to develop a staunch awareness that the State needs to protect entrepreneurship.
The State shall promote cooperation instead of competition.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Someone who is good at business is a terrorist in your mind?
That's just insane.

If you live by the principles of social Darwinism, then those are your principles. You can't have it both ways. It has been said that a lawyer can steal more with a briefcase than a hundred men armed with machine guns. You might say that lawyer is "good at business," and probably more savvy than the ones armed with machine guns. But if you can't see the connection between the two, then that's on you.

That really seems to be the problem here. I've seen you complain about socialism and how bad it is, yet you apparently fail to recognize that, historically, socialist governments came about as a consequence of the political system that came before it. Cause and effect.

So, if you truly detest socialism, it might be worthwhile considering a more equitable and fair system which promotes greater political stability and harmony. A system which rewards corruption and greed and other such dishonest, malicious behavior seems to produce just the opposite.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Yes, only it's not as open as it could be. It's serving those with ambition to succeed.
So you value survival of the fittest, and those humans who can't compete will die off, just like animals in the wild. Yet you reject evolution. That is irony.

So much for you valuing what Jesus taught about helping those in need.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
So you value survival of the fittest, and those humans who can't compete will die off, just like animals in the wild. Yet you reject evolution. That is irony.

So much for you valuing what Jesus taught about helping those in need.
I believe in helping those in need. That has nothing to do with the system of capitalism.
People who don't succeed in business don't generally die, BTW.
Equal opportunity to succeed exists in the free world like never before, IMO...a person can advertise much easier than in the past.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I believe in helping those in need.
I'm sure you believe in it, but I doubt you believe the solutions are what liberals and Jesus suggest is a more humane attitude. Your posts so far suggest letting the needy be victimized by circumstances and that government should allow it to happen if charity can't meet the need.

That has nothing to do with the system of capitalism.
Looking at the Industrial Revolution which was when Capitalism really took off and allowed certain families to become massively wealthy we can see it caused a huge level of harm on society and humanity. Some say these industrialists created jobs and opportunity. Well jobs were created but since Capitalism is an economic system that is amoral it only cares about making money. So the result was starvation wages, long hours, child labor, dangerous work conditions, and slums. The wealthy industrialists got away with it because they could exploit these cities full of hungry people. Whole families had to work to make ends meet, including children.

It wasn't until there was outrage by compassionate citizens that government started setting laws and standards on industrialists, like the 8 hour work day, the 40 hour work week, weekends off, fair wages, safe working conditions, child labor laws, etc. These are the kinds of regulation that conservatives call socialism today. it's not, but this is all they have to push back against advocacy for the public welfare against the wealthy and corporations. The minimum wage in the USA is criminally low, and republicans refuse to raise it claiming it will harm corporate profits. Wow, nice looking after the wealthy (who have plenty already) at the cost of the average citizen struggling to make ends meet.

People who don't succeed in business don't generally die, BTW.
The majority don't go into business. I'm referring to the average worker who faces wages too low to pay basic standards of livings nd that means not being able to afford good housing, healthcare, and healthy food. This causes more health problems and a lower life expectancy. This is what is caused by the USA having a healthcare system that is for profit, and not a public service. That is how people die. Where is the pro-life crowd now?

Equal opportunity to succeed exists in the free world like never before, IMO...a person can advertise much easier than in the past.
It's changed, but it is still very hard to be a success in this world where there is not enough money to really fund a new business. And without healthcare, a good education, and safe community those opportunities don't exist.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
It's changed, but it is still very hard to be a success in this world where there is not enough money to really fund a new business. And without healthcare, a good education, and safe community those opportunities don't exist.
No it's not that hard. You just have to put in the work.
And if you want a good education and a safe community it's simple, don't live in a liberal run area ...
 
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