Guiliani's Opinions on Obama

[metis]

Get your dog to do it, holmes.

I would but he died about 10 years ago.

But because I want to be helpful:

You owe me.

 

[CMike]

Well, here we go again:

The former New York mayor, speaking in front of the 2016 Republican presidential contender and about 60 right-leaning business executives and conservative media types, directly challenged Obama’s patriotism, discussing what he called weak foreign policy decisions and questionable public remarks when confronting terrorists.

“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

With Walker sitting just a few seats away, Giuliani continued by saying that “with all our flaws we’re the most exceptional country in the world. I’m looking for a presidential candidate who can express that, do that and carry it out.”...

“What country has left so many young men and women dead abroad to save other countries without taking land? This is not the colonial empire that somehow he has in his hand. I’ve never felt that from him. I felt that from [George] W. [Bush]. I felt that from [Bill] Clinton. I felt that from every American president, including ones I disagreed with, including [Jimmy] Carter. I don’t feel that from President Obama.” -- Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America - Darren Samuelsohn - POLITICO


Thoughts?

He is spot on.

More people should speak the truth as Rudy Giuliani has.

 

[CMike]

Here is the video.

 

[CMike]

Why would anyone listen to Rudolph Giuliani?

Because he is speaking the truth.

Because he is a great deal of experience combatting terrorism.

The real question is why would anyone listen to Barak Hussein Obama?

 

[CMike]

Well, I think you're right. I think all Guiliani is doing is appealing to the bigoted right-wing of his party, and the "He ain't one of us" charge against Obama definitely has both racial and "foreigner" overtones to it even if Guiliani isn't a racist. Trump played these same cards over and over again, as did Limbaugh. IOW, it's an attempt to galvanize the right-wing base, imo.

The longer-term effect, however, is to create the image that the party is out of touch with reality, racist, anti-science, anti-Hispanic, anti-education, etc. And this is what Scarborough and some others are really concerned about. IOW, image matters, and when outrageously negative charges such as this are made, most people are not so far out on the right that they're going to like it. The base will, which may work in the primaries, but then come back to haunt them in the actual election.

Did you make enough popcorn for me?

What specifically in Giuliani's comments are racist in your opinion?

 

[LuisDantas]

Because he is speaking the truth.

The thought does not even enter my mind. Whatever truth he might have to share is hopelessly lost under the weight of his zeal to create commotion at any price.

 

[sun rise]

About American exceptionalism. There is a frame of reference where I agree with it - not the America of today, but the America of our ideals which would bring in "the eyes of all people are upon us". There's a vast chasm between claiming we are such today compared to doing our best to live up to our ideals so that we become an example for the world.

As JFK said:

...I have been guided by the standard John Winthrop set before his shipmates on the flagship Arbella three hundred and thirty-one years ago, as they, too, faced the task of building a new government on a perilous frontier. "We must always consider", he said, "that we shall be as a city upon a hill—the eyes of all people are upon us". Today the eyes of all people are truly upon us—and our governments, in every branch, at every level, national, state and local, must be as a city upon a hill — constructed and inhabited by men aware of their great trust and their great responsibilities. For we are setting out upon a voyage in 1961 no less hazardous than that undertaken by the Arbella in 1630. We are committing ourselves to tasks of statecraft no less fantastic than that of governing the Massachusetts Bay Colony, beset as it was then by terror without and disorder within. History will not judge our endeavors—and a government cannot be selected—merely on the basis of color or creed or even party affiliation. Neither will competence and loyalty and stature, while essential to the utmost, suffice in times such as these. For of those to whom much is given, much is required...[2]

And of course many on the right ignore part of what Ronald Reagan said:

...I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity, and if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it and see it still...

Reagan's quote sounds like a strong endorsement for immigration reform "doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart go get here" - if that is not an endorsement for a positive solution to illegal immigration, nothing is.

 

[LuisDantas]

What specifically in Giuliani's comments are racist in your opinion?

Is there anything in American Exceptionalism besides racism?

 

[CMike]

The thought does not even enter my mind. Whatever truth he might have to share is hopelessly lost under the weight of his zeal to create commotion at any price.

It's not lost on me and many other people.

It's lost on people whom are not open to the message, and probably never will be.

 

[LuisDantas]

It's not lost on me and many other people.

Then maybe you want to express it in non-caricatural terms for all of us others?

It's lost on people whom are not open to the message, and probably never will be.

Baseless fears and oportunistic paranoia are not something to be open to.

 

[metis]

He is spot on.

More people should speak the truth as Rudy Giuliani has.

Well, I do think that Guiliani's "spot on" in regards that I think he should keep talking and having other Republicans talk just like him, because most people here in the States aren't that off-the-wall. If Jindal and Graham thought their party acted like the "Party of Stupid" in 2012, as they themselves called it, we could watch a repeat performance of Fox heads exploding with election returns in 2016. They're still trying to pick up pieces of Rove's brain from the returns in 2012.

 

[metis]

The real question is why would anyone listen to Barak Hussein Obama?

If you're gonna condemn a man, at least try and get his name right.

 

[averageJOE]

Well, here we go again:

The former New York mayor, speaking in front of the 2016 Republican presidential contender and about 60 right-leaning business executives and conservative media types, directly challenged Obama’s patriotism, discussing what he called weak foreign policy decisions and questionable public remarks when confronting terrorists.

“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

With Walker sitting just a few seats away, Giuliani continued by saying that “with all our flaws we’re the most exceptional country in the world. I’m looking for a presidential candidate who can express that, do that and carry it out.”...

“What country has left so many young men and women dead abroad to save other countries without taking land? This is not the colonial empire that somehow he has in his hand. I’ve never felt that from him. I felt that from [George] W. [Bush]. I felt that from [Bill] Clinton. I felt that from every American president, including ones I disagreed with, including [Jimmy] Carter. I don’t feel that from President Obama.” -- Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America - Darren Samuelsohn - POLITICO


Thoughts?

 

[ShivaFan]

Giuliani would have been a great President, unlike Obama one of the most horrible of all time, and no he isn't very smart either. Everything he touches is a disaster, unlike Giuliani who was New York's greatest Mayor and a true executive at every level and not a demagogue and frankly lame ideologue as Obama.

It is really funny how the same Democrats think they have some up and up on the election, the Democrats are going to lose in 2016 just like they did in 2014. It is because of truth sayers as Giuliani, that is the reason why.

I can't wait for 2016 to sense the reaction of these same rather silly and stuck in the obscure Democrats when they face more loss very soon. Let Obama go to his weirdo "G.D. America!" screaming "preacher" extremist, I wonder why Obama forgot to bring up his old extremist preacher at the conference on "extremism".

This is going to be fun, actually.
The Mayor is America's Mayor.

Update: LOL! The Obamacare idiots screw up big again, 800,000 taxpayers sent the wrong info from the IRS toadies, the errors would cause some taxpayers to claim too large a subsidy... this is literally a comedy! What lame idiots, you know Obama said Bush was UNPATRIOTIC for increasing the debt, so since Obama increased the debt TWICE the level of Bush then under Obama's own litmus test Obama is twice as unpatriotic...

America's Mayor said he doesn't think Obama LOVES America. He didn't say Obama hates America. The Mayor is right. Because I say Obama hates white American Hindus like me. Which is sort of like hating America. But I hate him.

 

[LuisDantas]

Because I say Obama hates white American Hindus like me.

There is not much in what you said in this post that I can agree with, but this part keeps one's attention somewhat further than most.

What leads you to such a conclusion?

 

[ShivaFan]

UPDATE: LOL! Who started this post? Attacking Rudy Guiliani's opinions on Obama as if not as smart as they think of themselves, and the title of the post is:

Guiliani's Opinions on Obama

They didn't even SPELL former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's name correctly in the title! LOL!

I bet Rudy's smarter than that, I bet Obama spelled it wrong, too. Obama is a disgrace, Rudy is beloved as America's Mayor.

LOL! and then there is the reply attacking someone:

...CMike said: ↑
The real question is why would anyone listen to Barak Hussein Obama?
Reply:
If you're gonna condemn a man, at least try and get his name right. ....

This is as funny as Obamacare - but that isn't funny to hardly anyone after this tax cycle.

The same attacker spelled Rudy's name wrong! Watch the request to change the post title to the correct spelling of Giuliani!

Better check the ballot for the right name!

I'm sorry, but this is funny!

 

[dust1n]

Political rhetoric has the be the slowest moving and least informing material in the world.

 

[ShivaFan]

The entire premise of this post is political rhetoric in itself, a laughable attempt by the desperate leftist wing jobs to spin something that isn't news into yet another ineffective attempt to stem the tide of individualism, the Republican Party, and to try and straight jacket the most benign words common place at dinner tables all across America into a hate crime and mock free speech in America, and then ad-lib this into the all so expected lame narratives of "America is all racist" which is bogus.

Every country has an element of racism and elitism, but there is no better place to escape from that then many Western nations and America. Actually the worse case in numbers as far as active racism in America in my observation is among SOME (but too many) blacks who hate white people and hate Jews.

Rudy said Obama doesn't love America. So what? I don't think Obama does, either, nor does it seem some of his supporters in some of these threads.

The biggest threat as far as racism comes from that far left Afro-centrist Eric Holder who yeilds way too much power for his mental outlook, who isn't far off from the hate of some of Obama's friends, especially those Obama hung out with and who the old school phony liberal news did cover-ups for while they ran Obama's campaign for him.

Folks around the dinner tables of America are asking the same, does Obama love America? Why shouldn't Rudy say the obvious, that he doesn't think Obama loves America?

America is exceptional, that is the exception, that we are not yet to the point like in Argentina where the "leader" is bumping off anyone who has the dirt.

But actually, I am not so sure about that. Obama was using IRS toadies to politically target those who he thinks are his political enemies, he may as well be the President of Argentina, or arresting Mayors like in Venezuela.

You got the loser Democrats wanting in effect to arrest America's Mayor Rudy for daring to speak his mind, while at the very same moment we have the Mayor of Caracas, Venezuela arrested by the socialist pigs there for saying practically the same, throwing the UNEXCEPTIONAL country of Venezuela into a crisis and
as supporters of Venezuela's Mayor take to the street to counter this socialist speech control... there is no doubt in my mind the Afro-centrist socialist Obama with his mind full of Reverend Wright speeches and false narratives of America as racists where white cops lurk the streets to shoot black people with their "hands up, don't shoot" that never even happened ----

--- so anyway, America is at the dinner table as both stories unfold simultaneously in the US and Venezuela attacking Mayors for saying the samething said at dinner tables in both countries, and ...

... you seriously think this stupid campaign by the DNC and their friends in the media is going to work?

I mean, seriously? And in RF? This is the winning strategy for the Dems?

Well have at it. Please do.

Exactly the opposite result will happen. You are making it easier for the next Republican gains. America doesn't want the government to run the internet. They don't trust the demagogues of the big government acting "shocked" about saying "I don't think the guy loves America"... this sounds like they want to arrest the Mayor.

Do you think America really cares that Rudy said this as if they are "shocked" or something? Are you kidding? They don't care, in fact it makes them more suspicious of YOU and the real agenda of this lame campaign, and whether YOU are going to tell THEM what they can say next...

There is no "there, there". Have at it, get even louder about what Rudy said. It only makes the Republican victory easier.

 

[LuisDantas]

The entire premise of this post is

... that maybe this will be the time when Rudolph Giuliani is not speaking nonsense?

Honestly, that is the attitude one should expect of me when Giuliani is the subject matter.

I find him fascinating in a "do such people actually exist? And are they taken seriously at all?" kind of way.

 

[ShivaFan]

I am suppose to be impressed you think Rudy is "nonsense"?
Ahhh no. Not. He is exceptional in what he says. And I hope he says more... And I hope this lame campaign attacking such common dinner table conversations continue. Even more Americans will become suspicious of THAT then Rudy.