Guilty or Not Guilty - Teacher Education

[SomeRandom]

Yes, then there are some in your camp that think porn is art too.

To be fair, historically speaking, there were actual artistic movements that purposefully intertwined art/philosophy and pornography. Like The Libertine movement of the 16-1700s, who did exactly that in their literature, which is now considered part of the Western Literary Canon (classical art.)
I mean anyone who has even an inkling of art history will know just how dirty classical literature actually is (nothing bawdier than the classics.)
Not to mention the potential pornography in great works of art across the world and throughout history. Sistine Chapel, Shakespeare, Chaucer etc all have “questionable/dirty” features to them.
Art is all about pushing boundaries and questioning human existence. You can’t do that without crossing some lines.
Well okay, you can technically, you just won’t likely be seen as one of the greats. Unless you’re real creative

Sorry if that’s offensive to some. But there’s a reason why art and English teachers seem to have very dirty senses of humour lol

 

[blü 2]

In that case, what if the hooker has a high powered rifle?

Isn't that like stipulating that the rock is a handful of sand, the scissors have no hinge, &c?

 

[Kenny]

Which is why I responded with a post comparing the American educational situation (in your view) with the English. You decided to put this thread in "General" rather than a geographically specific one, not me. Want to get off this roundabout?

LOL... well... at least we know what each of us are talking about.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why are you ignoring one of the main points raised by @SkepticThinker ? As noted, Shakeshaft defined "abuse" so broadly as to include how someone thinks someone else looked at them. And that includes looks from other students.

You should try and do better next time.

Thank you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Whether books, which there are problems, games, or other methods - it's the same animal with different colors.

Yes, we always have "the anti-report" to a report.

but she also said, " In 1994, Shakeshaft published a report based on a four-year study of 225 sexual abuse complaints—184 in New York State and 41 in other states—against teachers made to federal authorities from 1990 to 1993.[3] She found that "All of the accused admitted sexual abuse of a student, but none of the abusers was reported to the authorities, and only 1 percent lost their license to teach. Only 35 percent suffered negative consequences of any kind, and 39 percent chose to leave their school district, most with positive recommendations. Some were even given an early retirement package."

So, I think why point still stands.

She also said, "The report indicated that nearly 10% of U.S. public school students, or 4.5 million students, had been the victims of sexual harassment, rape or sexual abuse. The review described the prevalence of educator sexual misconduct, offender characteristics, targets of educator sexual misconduct, and recommendations for prevention of educator sexual misconduct.[2]"

So she actually supports my position that the problem is systemic

Charol_Shakeshaft

What point have you made that you think "still stands?"
Shakeshift used a definition that is far too broad, which as another poster pointed out, even includes how someone else thinks someone looked at them, and you think the conclusions drawn from that are still valid and useful because ... ? Do you really think we should be drawing conclusions from studies that have seriously methodological flaws in them?


In his preface to the report, Deputy Secretary of Education Eugene Hickock observes that the terms “sexual abuse” and “sexual misconduct” are used interchangeably, which he calls “potentially confusing.” Some data-analysts use loose definitions in order to include differing yet relevant studies within their analysis. This does not appear to be Shakeshaft’s intent.

Although the subtitle of Shakeshaft’s report is “a synthesis of existing literature,” the report is not a meta-analysis. Meta-analysis consists of combining the data provided by multiple sources, all the while being meticulously careful to acknowledge and to adjust for differences in how those sources have collected or defined the data.

For example, they may have studied vastly divergent populations. ...

 

[SkepticThinker]

Wow....thanks for taking me back to my younger days, growing up in a fundamentalist Church, where everything was taken hyper-literally and the "church leaders" seemingly had no capacity for abstract thought and creativity.

It's like the time when I was rehearsing a short guitar part for the Christmas play, and during a break I.....gasp....played a G chord a bit loud and they all freaked out, shouting "This is the house of the Lord! This is the house of the Lord!", as I stood there with a baffled look on my face saying "it's just a chord".

I heard there was a secret chord, that David played and it pleased the Lord ...

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, then there are some in your camp that think porn is art too.

Do you think the statue of David is pornographic?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you think the statue of David is pornographic?

No, but I do think that the greatest prophet of modern times foresaw this:

 

[Kenny]

Do you think the statue of David is pornographic?

No