Gun Control in the USA

[Fool]

Some libs and some others want to limit/control gun ownership.

Some cons and others want to insure you can buy all the guns you want.


so are republicans and those who are absolute hands off gun control afraid of their republican brothers? Because the libs seem to be willing to give up some aspect of gun ownership; so that only leaves republicans holding on to more guns.

what gives?

 

[AlexanderG]

There has been a lot of research into this topic, and a strong conclusion is that Republicans generally want unfettered access to guns because owning guns makes them feel safer from Black people. It's one of the many examples of white conservative policy being driven almost entirely by racism.

Here's a couple publications supporting this idea:
Racism, Gun Ownership and Gun Control: Biased Attitudes in US Whites May Influence Policy Decisions
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FJ6Z1ZW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Notably, conservatives have been historically supportive on gun control only when it selectively removes guns from black people, such as when they pushed to ban open carry of guns in response to the black panther movement, and banned blacks from owning guns in the South after slaves were freed:
About | HeinOnline

The fact that Republican/conservative types will support opposite gun control principles in different circumstances, as long as Black people are always disadvantaged, shows that it's not about the stated principles. It's only about the racism. Liberals are less afraid of minorities, and generally less afraid of people who are different from themselves, and they recognize the objective data that shows owning a gun is much more likely to result in an injury to a family member than to defend against an intruder. So, they own fewer guns.

 

[Aštra’el]

I love the smell of gunfire.

 

[pearl]

SCOTUS just throughout New York's law against carrying a concealed gun.

 

[metis]

I love the smell of gunfire.

So you love machines that kill people.

 

[Audie]

There has been a lot of research into this topic, and a strong conclusion is that Republicans generally want unfettered access to guns because owning guns makes them feel safer from Black people. It's one of the many examples of white conservative policy being driven almost entirely by racism.

Here's a couple publications supporting this idea:
Racism, Gun Ownership and Gun Control: Biased Attitudes in US Whites May Influence Policy Decisions
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FJ6Z1ZW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Notably, conservatives have been historically supportive on gun control only when it selectively removes guns from black people, such as when they pushed to ban open carry of guns in response to the black panther movement, and banned blacks from owning guns in the South after slaves were freed:
About | HeinOnline

The fact that Republican/conservative types will support opposite gun control principles in different circumstances, as long as Black people are always disadvantaged, shows that it's not about the stated principles. It's only about the racism. Liberals are less afraid of minorities, and generally less afraid of people who are different from themselves, and they recognize the objective data that shows owning a gun is much more likely to result in an injury to a family member than to defend against an intruder. So, they own fewer guns.

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Like such America issues affect me but-
I got a good exposure to gun owners and their ideas while in they USA.
Owned one myself for a time, small self defense weapon I wish I'd had when I needed it..
Anyway, let's look at what you've said.
It's so typical of what passes for a reasoned
presentation on an issue in American political dialog.

" Unfettered" is simply untrue. You made that up.
It of course would mean Republicans are simply
insane. What does it say of you, it make such
an outlandish claim?

The thing about racism is bogus*, but a marvellous example of the prejudice, ignorance, and hatred ( see poster who wants all gun owners shot) that is breaking your country apart.

Keep it up though. We've no reason to be sentimental about
you guys' fate. Served on a platter will do fine.

* You can find hack journalism to support any
prejudice you may have.

 

[Wildswanderer]

so are republicans and those who are absolute hands off gun control afraid of their republican brothers?

How does that make sense? Are you assuming liberals don't have guns? Just because they talk that talk doesn't mean they don't have guns.

 

[Fool]

.
Like such America issues affect me but-
I got a good exposure to gun owners and their ideas while in they USA.
Owned one myself for a time, small self defense weapon I wish I'd had when I needed it..
Anyway, let's look at what you've said.
It's so typical of what passes for a reasoned
presentation on an issue in American political dialog.

" Unfettered" is simply untrue. You made that up.
It of course would mean Republicans are simply
insane. What does it say of you, it make such
an outlandish claim?

The thing about racism is bogus*, but a marvellous example of the prejudice, ignorance, and hatred ( see poster who wants all gun owners shot) that is breaking your country apart.

Keep it up though. We've no reason to be sentimental about
you guys' fate. Served on a platter will do fine.

* You can find hack journalism to support any
prejudice you may have.

fear isn't logical; when there is no actual threat.

first I stated/used the word "some". the majority of offenders are pro-guns owners.

secondly, i live in a red state and the majority of my family are red to the bone. i literally know people who have 10+ guns. you can't shoot 10+ guns in defense of yourself. they are afraid of the government but they don't seem to realize they are the government.

thirdly, i have been voting for 30+ years and every election, the right rolls out that the left wants to take away all the guns. that isn't true. i've never heard the left say that they want to take away all the guns. just to limit gun ownership. the left want limits. fear isn't logical; when there is no actual threat.

 

[Fool]

How does that make sense? Are you assuming liberals don't have guns? Just because they talk that talk doesn't mean they don't have guns.

i didn't say there is a problem with owning a gun. i stated limited gun ownership. see how your fear works? you're already in crisis and there is no actual threat. gun ownership shouldn't be a given. there should be limitations.

 

[Revoltingest]

There has been a lot of research into this topic, and a strong conclusion is that Republicans generally want unfettered access to guns because owning guns makes them feel safer from Black people. It's one of the many examples of white conservative policy being driven almost entirely by racism.

Here's a couple publications supporting this idea:
Racism, Gun Ownership and Gun Control: Biased Attitudes in US Whites May Influence Policy Decisions
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FJ6Z1ZW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Notably, conservatives have been historically supportive on gun control only when it selectively removes guns from black people, such as when they pushed to ban open carry of guns in response to the black panther movement, and banned blacks from owning guns in the South after slaves were freed:
About | HeinOnline

The fact that Republican/conservative types will support opposite gun control principles in different circumstances, as long as Black people are always disadvantaged, shows that it's not about the stated principles. It's only about the racism. Liberals are less afraid of minorities, and generally less afraid of people who are different from themselves, and they recognize the objective data that shows owning a gun is much more likely to result in an injury to a family member than to defend against an intruder. So, they own fewer guns.

Given the massive liberal opposition to urban black
folk being armed, this strongly suggests racism too.
Combine that with liberals confining blacks in designated
areas of public housing, preventing their employment
by cutting benefits when getting a wage, etc, etc.

So the problem here is that both libs & cons have sins
regarding race. I suggest looking at the issues without
muddying them up with ad hominem attacks.

 

[Revoltingest]

they are afraid of the government but they don't seem to realize they are the government. .

Liberals....so often they tell me that "the people are the
government". But this belies the fact that government
is controlled by factions. Some have more power than
others. But the result is government that works largely
for some interests, & not for others.
Gun rights advocates have no guarantee that the left
won't get its way in taking away significant rights. So
no....they are not the government. Just bit players,
not writers of the script.

 

[74x12]

There has been a lot of research into this topic, and a strong conclusion is that Republicans generally want unfettered access to guns because owning guns makes them feel safer from Black people. It's one of the many examples of white conservative policy being driven almost entirely by racism.

Maybe you should try getting out more. Talking to actual Conservatives ... your "research" is ridiculous nonsense.

 

[Fool]

Liberals....so often they tell me that "the people are the
government". But this belies the fact that government
is controlled by factions

still americans.

Some have more power than
others. But the result is government that works largely
for some interests, & not for others.

the interest should be what is best for all and not what is best for libs/cons.

Gun rights advocates have no guarantee that the left
won't get its way in taking away significant rights. So
no....they are not the government. Just bit players,
not writers of the script.

people make up the government. it isn't foreigners running the show. i realize money, prestige influences some people but its still americans working in those government positions.

 

[Revoltingest]

the interest should be what is best for all and not what is best for libs/cons.

"Should be" is one thing.
Reality is another.

people make up the government. it isn't foreigners running the show. i realize money, prestige influences some people but its still americans working in those government positions.

This ignores the reality of people who enjoy rights
will see opposition by those who oppose rights.
And sometimes one's foes win. So fighting for
rights is useful.

 

[Fool]

"Should be" is one thing.
Reality is another.

This ignores the reality of people who enjoy rights
will see opposition by those who oppose rights.
And sometimes one's foes win. So fighting for
rights is useful.

the balance of right is neither to the left or the right but in the middle. the reality is that some people don't want reality. they want their useless beliefs to override reality. there is no tooth fairy except for the human. there is no santa except for the human.

the choice is love or hate. might doesn't make right no matter how many guns and how much of a majority some group is.

 

[Revoltingest]

the balance of right is neither to the left or the right but in the middle. the reality is that some people don't want reality. they want their useless beliefs to override reality. there is no tooth fairy except for the human. there is no santa except for the human.

the choice is love or hate. might doesn't make right no matter how many guns and how much of a majority some group is.

I'm not a "middle" kind of person. I favor extremes,
but recognize that compromises are political reality.
We should advocate so that the results preserve
rights to the extent possible.

 

[esmith]

I love the smell of gunfire.

And the smell of napalm in the morning

 

[Suave]

How does that make sense? Are you assuming liberals don't have guns? Just because they talk that talk doesn't mean they don't have guns.

Good luck AR-15 owners in getting .223 or 5.56 ammo for your semi-auto rifles! ....

BREAKING: Biden Administration Moves to Cut Off Lake City .223/5.56 Ammo From the Commercial Market - The Truth About Guns

By the way, I have a 357 Magnum revolver, I don't need a high capacity magazine loaded with 30 rounds of ammo attached to an AR-15 in order to defend myself,

 

[esmith]

Good luck AR-15 owners in getting .223 or 5.56 ammo for your semi-auto rifles! ....

BREAKING: Biden Administration Moves to Cut Off Lake City .223/5.56 Ammo From the Commercial Market - The Truth About Guns

By the way, I have a 357 Magnum revolver, I don't need a high capacity magazine loaded with 30 rounds of ammo attached to an AR-15 in order to defend myself,

Nah, no problem I'll just buy it from another manufacture or just keep reloading my own
So sorry charlie.
Just out of curiosity do you have a speed loader and know how to use it?

 

[Suave]

Nah, no problem I'll just buy it from another manufacture or just keep reloading my own
So sorry charlie.
Just out of curiosity do you have a speed loader and know how to use it?

I figure if Kyle Rittenhouse could fend off a mob of angry rioters with just six shots, that should be enough defensive firepower for me packing heat even on the mean streets of Chi-town.

Seems to me AR-15 ammo is gonna soon get mighty expensine. ...