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We Never Know

No Slack
When your party passes some legislation that favors you, do you really think they care about your guns, your gender, your god, your sexual preference?

IMO they only care about your votes. And if souls exists, many would sell their soul to get votes(they probably would sell your soul too if they could).

We have two controlling parties which IMO neither do what is right... they do what secures them votes.

This is what our government has become. Its not about what's right, its about securing votes.

Its disgraceful! We have the best worse politicians BS and money can buy.
 
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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
When your party passes some legislation that favors you, do you really think they care about your guns, your gender, your god, your sexual preference?

IMO they only care about your votes. And if souls exists, many would sell their soul to get votes(they probably would sell your soul too if they could).

We have two controlling parties which IMO neither do what is right... they do what secures them votes.

This is what our government has become. Its not about what's right, its about securing votes.

Its disgraceful! We have the best worse politicians BS and money can buy.
I wished they cared about votes. A lot of them are still trying to figure out how to get and maintain power without having to deal with that nasty thing called democracy.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
When your party passes some legislation that favors you, do you really think they care about your guns, your gender, your god, your sexual preference?

IMO they only care about your votes. And if souls exists, many would sell their soul to get votes(they probably would sell your soul too if they could).

We have two controlling parties which IMO neither do what is right... they do what secures them votes.

This is what our government has become. Its not about what's right, its about securing votes.

Its disgraceful! We have the best worse politicians BS and money can buy.
I have no faith in either major party at this point. Both parties have gone so far from center I have little in common with either. I changed my political affiliation to Independent.
 

Ella S.

Well-Known Member
Personally, I don't belong to a party. If I want to see change, then I look for avenues to make that change directly.

I don't vote. Voting only works if you're doing it en masse in favor of something that benefits your cause. As an individual, my vote has no power. I would have to become a campaign organizer in order to rally votes to the causes that I support, but my political views are so far outside of the mainstream that it would end up becoming a third party. And third parties have no effectual power.

In order to even try to compete with the existing groups of voters, I would need to be able to match or exceed the money, time, and influence invested in every rival group by people that have more resources for this single project than I might ever see in my entire life.

So I don't see the point. My vote doesn't actually do anything. Even if everyone who agreed with me tried to vote to pass policies that I support, we're a minority political group here and our voices would be drowned out by mainstream majoritarianism.

Even if I support a specific policy for the sake of shifting the Overton Window, my vote will be drowned out by the votes of campaigners, lobbyists, and partisans, anyway, and I have little control over which of these groups wins that power struggle. It's always one that's a part of entrenched power structures, though, and those are structures that I fundamentally oppose giving any further power.

That doesn't mean I give up on trying to make any kind of change. Instead, I focus on direct action and mutual aid. I try to figure out what I actually can do with the modicum of power that I have. I don't have much, but if I use it intelligently it can go a long way.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have no faith in either major party at this point. Both parties have gone so far from center I have little in common with either. I changed my political affiliation to Independent.
Is there a 3rd party whose agenda you like?
I found mine half a century ago.
They're a bunch'o losers, but they're my home.
And I can still vote for one of the Big Two
when circumstances are compelling.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Not really. Choosing to identify as an independent was my own personal small way of demonstrating my disdain for both the far left and far right that both major parties are bowing to. Neither one represents my own personal views. However, as you stated, I too often vote for one of the bug two if I find one of their candidates compelling.
 

Tinkerpeach

Active Member
When your party passes some legislation that favors you, do you really think they care about your guns, your gender, your god, your sexual preference?

IMO they only care about your votes. And if souls exists, many would sell their soul to get votes(they probably would sell your soul too if they could).

We have two controlling parties which IMO neither do what is right... they do what secures them votes.

This is what our government has become. Its not about what's right, its about securing votes.

Its disgraceful! We have the best worse politicians BS and money can buy.
This is how our government works.

The voters elect people that will support their views in legislation so of course they care only about votes, that is their job.

Just like any job, you’re expected to perform a duty if you don’t you get fired. If you want to keep your job you do what’s expected of you. Politicians are expected to support specific legislation. What does that the gun rights were gay rights.

Otherwise, they get fired
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
I have no faith in either major party at this point. Both parties have gone so far from center I have little in common with either. I changed my political affiliation to Independent.

Interesting that my politics are to the left of both parties in the USA. But when I lived in England, I was a moderate, pretty much.

One thing I will suggest, and that is that sometimes you have to vote against something. I would vote for pretty much anyone, just to keep Trump from getting another term. (I don't actually get to vote, I'm not a citizen, but this is what I would do).
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
When your party passes some legislation that favors you, do you really think they care about your guns, your gender, your god, your sexual preference?

IMO they only care about your votes. And if souls exists, many would sell their soul to get votes(they probably would sell your soul too if they could).

We have two controlling parties which IMO neither do what is right... they do what secures them votes.

This is what our government has become. Its not about what's right, its about securing votes.

Its disgraceful! We have the best worse politicians BS and money can buy.
The pathological obsession politicians have with holding power has pretty much now become a chronic mental illness involving those who think of absolutely nothing else but keeping or attaining political power. You can really see it in their eyes and actions , and don't act like normal human beings.
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
When your party passes some legislation that favors you, do you really think they care about your guns, your gender, your god, your sexual preference?

IMO they only care about your votes. And if souls exists, many would sell their soul to get votes(they probably would sell your soul too if they could).

We have two controlling parties which IMO neither do what is right... they do what secures them votes.

This is what our government has become. Its not about what's right, its about securing votes.

Its disgraceful! We have the best worse politicians BS and money can buy.

You say that neither party does what is right, yet you do not seem to acknowledge that the electorate do not agree on what is right. Yes, politicians take positions that they feel will garner them the most votes from their constituents and then make decisions in office that primarily will ensure a large enough campaign war chest to get themselves re-elected, secondly will provide them some perks, and thirdly pander enough to a sufficient majority of the electorate such that their war chest will be effective in re-electing them.

Since the electorate are not uniform in their opinions on what is right, this leaves room for more than one candidate to compete for votes and try and find or manufacture a set of issues that a majority can be rallied to support. Since a non-uniform electorate enables competition, and the stakes are high in terms of the level of political power and money that can be won, what may constitute what is best for the county overall gets left by the wayside pretty quickly.

If you want a uniform electorate that agrees with you, for the most part, on what is right, then you need to create and control a single news and information source, a single state media, killing off all other alternative sources and hammer away at your core values. Of course your gonna need to change the constitution and eliminate free speech, etc, but once you are the only voice in town you can begin to groom a more uniform electorate.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Interesting that my politics are to the left of both parties in the USA. But when I lived in England, I was a moderate, pretty much.

One thing I will suggest, and that is that sometimes you have to vote against something. I would vote for pretty much anyone, just to keep Trump from getting another term. (I don't actually get to vote, I'm not a citizen, but this is what I would do).
By the current political standards in the USA, I'm a moderate. But the line seems to change with time. In the 1950s I would have been considered a liberal. And unfortunately I have found myself voting against a particular candidate rather than for their opponent.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
It would be better if we just jailed our politicians as soon as they are sworn into office, would save time and heartache.
You get the government you deserve, possibly.
A stupid population, will vote in people who are clearly unsuitable for office, like Trump.
 
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