Gun Rights are Women's Rights

[Rational Agnostic]

I think that there is a gun problem in the United States, and I think measures need to be taken to control excessive and unrestricted gun sales, like strict background checks. However, I have a serious problem with propositions to repeal the second Amendment. I am also a strong advocate of allowing concealed carry for anyone who passes rigorous background checks and training. One of the biggest reasons for this is a women's rights issue. Men, as a general rule, are physically stronger than women, so women should absolutely have the right to carry firearms to defend themselves against potential rapists, attackers, and other violent men. A society that disarms its citizens is a society that disarms women, which will, in my opinion, ultimately lead to a society in which women, and all vulnerable citizens, are much more unsafe. This also applies to citizens who need to protect their homes and their families from violent criminals breaking into their homes. Unless citizens have equal access to guns, the physically strong and malevolent would trample the rights of the physically weak. As the old quote says "The good lord made us man and woman, but Smith and Wesson made us equal."

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think that there is a gun problem in the United States, and I think measures need to be taken to control excessive and unrestricted gun sales, like strict background checks. However, I have a serious problem with propositions to repeal the second Amendment. I am also a strong advocate of allowing concealed carry for anyone who passes rigorous background checks and training. One of the biggest reasons for this is a women's rights issue. Men, as a general rule, are physically stronger than women, so women should absolutely have the right to carry firearms to defend themselves against potential rapists, attackers, and other violent men. A society that disarms its citizens is a society that disarms women, which will, in my opinion, ultimately lead to a society in which women, and all vulnerable citizens, are much more unsafe. This also applies to citizens who need to protect their homes and their families from violent criminals breaking into their homes. Unless citizens have equal access to guns, the physically strong and malevolent would trample the rights of the physically weak. As the old quote says "The good lord made us man and woman, but Smith and Wesson made us equal."

Isn't this what everyone else does all around the world? Oh, they don't, and yet they seem to manage. Time for some serious change in the US? Like admitting you got it wrong long ago and doing something about it?

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Isn't this what everyone else does all around the world? Oh, they don't, and yet they seem to manage. Time for some serious change in the US? Like admitting you got it wrong long ago and doing something about it?

Do you agree that women should have the right to defend themselves against rapists? The only way to ensure this is to give women the means to self-defense, namely, weapons.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think that there is a gun problem in the United States, and I think measures need to be taken to control excessive and unrestricted gun sales, like strict background checks. However, I have a serious problem with propositions to repeal the second Amendment. I am also a strong advocate of allowing concealed carry for anyone who passes rigorous background checks and training. One of the biggest reasons for this is a women's rights issue. Men, as a general rule, are physically stronger than women, so women should absolutely have the right to carry firearms to defend themselves against potential rapists, attackers, and other violent men. A society that disarms its citizens is a society that disarms women, which will, in my opinion, ultimately lead to a society in which women, and all vulnerable citizens, are much more unsafe. This also applies to citizens who need to protect their homes and their families from violent criminals breaking into their homes. Unless citizens have equal access to guns, the physically strong and malevolent would trample the rights of the physically weak. As the old quote says "The good lord made us man and woman, but Smith and Wesson made us equal."

Parenthetic aside....
Even the strong get trampled.
Leon Spinks, former world heavyweight boxing champ,
was beaten & robbed on the streets of Detroit.

 

[Quintessence]

That... was a surprisingly sexist argument for gun rights. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that.

 

[Revoltingest]

That... was a surprisingly sexist argument for gun rights. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that.

The sexism aside, there's merit in the message that some
people are more physically vulnerable than others.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

That... was a surprisingly sexist argument for gun rights. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that.

It's a biological fact that men are physically stronger than women, which is why women should be armed to defend themselves against potential male rapists and attackers.

 

[Jesster]

What if the man has a gun too?

 

[Rational Agnostic]

The sexism aside, there's merit in the message that some
people are more physically vulnerable than others.

The real sexists are the fake feminists who want to end the right to bear arms, which means inevitably ending women's rights to self-defense. There was nothing sexist that I said in this post.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

What if the man has a gun too?

It could still deter the attacker, because he would realize his own life would be at some risk if he attacked, as opposed to being at no risk if the potential victim was not armed.

 

[Rival]

What if the man has a gun too?

Reminds me of a line from a piece of smut I wrote when I was 12...

"...a knife, and a c***…The perfect intimidation."

And who says it isn't? It really can be.

 

[Nakosis]

I think that there is a gun problem in the United States, and I think measures need to be taken to control excessive and unrestricted gun sales, like strict background checks. However, I have a serious problem with propositions to repeal the second Amendment. I am also a strong advocate of allowing concealed carry for anyone who passes rigorous background checks and training. One of the biggest reasons for this is a women's rights issue. Men, as a general rule, are physically stronger than women, so women should absolutely have the right to carry firearms to defend themselves against potential rapists, attackers, and other violent men. A society that disarms its citizens is a society that disarms women, which will, in my opinion, ultimately lead to a society in which women, and all vulnerable citizens, are much more unsafe. This also applies to citizens who need to protect their homes and their families from violent criminals breaking into their homes. Unless citizens have equal access to guns, the physically strong and malevolent would trample the rights of the physically weak. As the old quote says "The good lord made us man and woman, but Smith and Wesson made us equal."

You know, it's simple for me. I like guns. There is zero chance that I'm going to shoot anyone, even in self-defense. So if I'm a responsible gun owner, Take the training, pass the background check, keep my weapons securely lock aways and follow all applicable laws regarding the possession and sale of firearms, why should I be penalized?

Doesn't really matter how many guns I own, 20, 50. As long as I am a law abiding responsible citizen. Guns are cool. That's my argument for ownership.

Self defense works out on the rare occasion, but that's more the exception than the rule. Gun ownership is a right protected by the constitution thank God. That IMO is the only justification needed.

Beyond that, I'm happy to support any laws that will make gun ownership more safe.

 

[Altfish]

I think that there is a gun problem in the United States, and I think measures need to be taken to control excessive and unrestricted gun sales, like strict background checks. However, I have a serious problem with propositions to repeal the second Amendment. I am also a strong advocate of allowing concealed carry for anyone who passes rigorous background checks and training. One of the biggest reasons for this is a women's rights issue. Men, as a general rule, are physically stronger than women, so women should absolutely have the right to carry firearms to defend themselves against potential rapists, attackers, and other violent men. A society that disarms its citizens is a society that disarms women, which will, in my opinion, ultimately lead to a society in which women, and all vulnerable citizens, are much more unsafe. This also applies to citizens who need to protect their homes and their families from violent criminals breaking into their homes. Unless citizens have equal access to guns, the physically strong and malevolent would trample the rights of the physically weak. As the old quote says "The good lord made us man and woman, but Smith and Wesson made us equal."

So the UK has less women's rights than the US.
Is there evidence of less attacks on women (per head of population) to support this assertion?

 

[Jesster]

It could still deter the attacker, because he would realize his own life would be at some risk if he attacked, as opposed to being at no risk if the potential victim was not armed.

What if I had a gun and he didn't, but he stole it from me? Now he's stronger than me, and I've provided him with a gun.

 

[Revoltingest]

The real sexists are the fake feminists who want to end the right to bear arms, which means inevitably ending women's rights to self-defense. There was nothing sexist that I said in this post.

That seems a rather extreme view.
Women would have other defense options, eg, pepper spray.
But I do favor their right to be armed...with the same provisions
I also want for men, eg, training, vetting, & due care.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think that there is a gun problem in the United States, and I think measures need to be taken to control excessive and unrestricted gun sales, like strict background checks. However, I have a serious problem with propositions to repeal the second Amendment. I am also a strong advocate of allowing concealed carry for anyone who passes rigorous background checks and training. One of the biggest reasons for this is a women's rights issue. Men, as a general rule, are physically stronger than women, so women should absolutely have the right to carry firearms to defend themselves against potential rapists, attackers, and other violent men. A society that disarms its citizens is a society that disarms women, which will, in my opinion, ultimately lead to a society in which women, and all vulnerable citizens, are much more unsafe. This also applies to citizens who need to protect their homes and their families from violent criminals breaking into their homes. Unless citizens have equal access to guns, the physically strong and malevolent would trample the rights of the physically weak. As the old quote says "The good lord made us man and woman, but Smith and Wesson made us equal."

It's well-established that when it comes to women killed by their partners, a gun in the home is a significant risk factor.

Overall, women are less safe in societies with more guns.

 

[Revoltingest]

What if I had a gun and he didn't, but he stole it from me? Now he's stronger than me, and I've provided him with a gun.

I keep mine in a safe when I'm not carrying it.
And when carrying, I don't ever give it to anyone else.
(That would be illegal in MI anyway.)

 

[Jesster]

I keep mine in a safe when I'm not carrying it.
And when carrying, I don't ever give it to anyone else.
(That would be illegal in MI anyway.)

I keep mine out of the way too. Carrying it around everywhere would just be potential trouble, even if I do have extensive gun training.

 

[Revoltingest]

I keep mine out of the way too. Carrying it around everywhere would just be potential trouble, even if I do have extensive gun training.

I don't carry everywhere, since it requires particular dress & some limitations on travel.
Regarding the risk of carrying a gun, & having it taken to be used against one....sure, it's possible.
But that has never happened to anyone I know, including those who have used it in self defense.

 

[Jesster]

I don't carry everywhere, since it requires particular dress & some limitations on travel.
Regarding the risk of carrying a gun, & having it taken to be used against one....sure, it's possible.
But that has never happened to anyone I know, including those who have used it in self defense.

Oh it definitely can in tight quarters. And this is even ignoring the fact that one doesn't need proper gun training to own a gun. What happens when an untrained person starts using one for self defense? Or do we expect everyone to go through that training?

Pepper spray, on the other hand, requires very little instruction and works very effectively.