Gun Rights are Women's Rights

[Quintessence]

It's a biological fact that men are physically stronger than women,

No, it isn't. It's a biological fact that the average human male is physically stronger than the average human female. There are many human females who are physically stronger than many human males. Bell curves - lots of zones of overlap.

I could maybe take your argument seriously if you went the route of "guns in some cases act as an equalizer of lethal force." Because that's generally true. It's also generally true that if you have a gun and lack the training to use it, that's... well... problematic.

 

[Jesster]

If someone has a knife and you are in a situation where there is no alternative but to fight, would you rather a knife or not have one?

I'd definitely rather have that pepper spray still. I'm not good with a knife.

 

[Shad]

It's a biological fact that men are physically stronger than women, which is why women should be armed to defend themselves against potential male rapists and attackers.

The should is problematic as it creates an obligation on either the person or government to ensure it is met. Also your fact is an average which can become problematic if we are using strength as a factor. For someone that is a professional fighter or martial arts expert maintaining above average physical conditioning they could be stronger than the average male. Techniques vs untrained is also a factor as technique can maximize force used making someone smaller more dangerous.

Leave it up to the individual

 

[Revoltingest]

Grief, where you live must be like the wild west!!

It's quite tame for me in my littler corner of Revoltistan.

I live in Manchester, England - I have done for 60+ years - maybe I've been lucky BUT I've never carried a gun, a knife, pepper spray and I've never been attacked. My wife is the same, never attacked, never carried.
Of course I've seen fights in pubs, bars and clubs and they occasionally involve dangerous weapons ie the use of a glass or two. But normally it is fists.

An imagined conversation....
"Do you have fire insurance on your home?"
"Yes."
"You must live in an inferno!"

You really put me off visiting the US, if you need to carry weapons, it can't be safe.

As with England, some places are quite safe....others
are less so...you know...all the knifings & bombings.

 

[oldbadger]

One of the biggest reasons for this is a women's rights issue. Men, as a general rule, are physically stronger than women, so women should absolutely have the right to carry firearms to defend themselves against potential rapists, attackers, and other violent men.

Potential.....?

This also applies to citizens who need to protect their homes and their families from violent criminals breaking into their homes.

Would you like to list the various ways in which you would like people to protect their homes...... or are you just thinking of everybody going to bed cuddling a gun?

 

[Altfish]

It's quite tame for me in my littler corner of Revoltistan.

So why carry weapons?

An imagined conversation....
"Do you have fire insurance on your home?"
"Yes."
"You must live in an inferno!"

What a bad analogy. I have car insurance too, doesn't mean I'm going to be in a crash.
The difference is that you carry a gun, because you fear others carrying guns. If no one else had a gun you would not need a gun.
But you'd still need house insurance because you can't afford the consequence of an accidental electrical fault.

As with England, some places are quite safe....others
are less so...you know...all the knifings & bombings.

Knifings are few and far between and tend to be gang related.
Bombings; a gun or knife is not much use in those cases. Mind, there have been none in the UK this year, the last being in my home town over 12-months ago.

 

[Revoltingest]

So why carry weapons?

On rare occasions they're useful.

What a bad analogy

Because it takes the wind from your sails?

. I have car insurance too, doesn't mean I'm going to be in a crash.

Let me explain the analogy....
You are unlikely to be in a crash for which insurance would be useful.
You don't intend to crash.
But you know it's remotely possible that you'll be in a crash.
So you take a precaution against facing the expense of a crash.
Carrying a handgun is a precaution against the unlikely event of needing it.

The difference is that you carry a gun, because you fear others carrying guns. If no one else had a gun you would not need a gun.

Now you're inventing a motive for me.
But if I decided against carrying a gun, this would have no effect upon others carrying.

But you'd still need house insurance because you can't afford the consequence of an accidental electrical fault.

Wrong again.
I carry home insurance, but I don't need it.
I owe nothing on it, so no bank requires it.
And I could buy a new house or fix my damaged one without
a loan. (Insurance would make matters easier though.)

Knifings are few and far between and tend to be gang related.
Bombings; a gun or knife is not much use in those cases. Mind, there have been none in the UK this year, the last being in my home town over 12-months ago.

I read the news....England is a raging cauldron of violence compared to where I live.

 

[oldbadger]

So the UK has less women's rights than the US.
Is there evidence of less attacks on women (per head of population) to support this assertion?

Hi .....
We have many more gender rights than the US, I'm thinking.

@Revoltingest has just started a thread about new legislation for women in the US, so they're way behind us, I reckon.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hi .....
We have many more gender rights than the US, I'm thinking.

@Revoltingest has just started a thread about new legislation for women in the US, so they're way behind us, I reckon.

My thread shows we're behind you?
I don't buy it.
Women here have superior (to Britain) rights to guns & free speech.

 

[oldbadger]

So why carry weapons?

..... because they're scared of all those folks carrying guns around?

What a bad analogy. I have car insurance too, doesn't mean I'm going to be in a crash.

Some US folks don't seem to understand that it's totally irresponsible to ignore insurance when the risks involved can affect third parties. But I would bet that they would be screaming for compensation if they themselves got hurt in any accident caused by another, whether by gun, vehicle, carelessness etc.

The difference is that you carry a gun, because you fear others carrying guns. If no one else had a gun you would not need a gun.

Agreed... already....

 

[oldbadger]

My thread shows we're behind you?
I don't buy it.
Women here have superior (to Britain) rights to guns & free speech.

Nope........
Any woman can own a gun here........ many do........
And we have as much free speech here as you do. Unless you can show a clear example to prove me wrong, which I doubt.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope........
Any woman can own a gun here........ many do........
And we have as much free speech here as you do. Unless you can show a clear example to prove me wrong, which I doubt.

I said her rights here are "superior".
Your country has hate speech laws.
Hate speech laws in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
We don't, so we may legally be more offensive.
(I note though that as #2, you guys try harder.)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

No, it isn't. It's a biological fact that the average human male is physically stronger than the average human female. There are many human females who are physically stronger than many human males. Bell curves - lots of zones of overlap.

I could maybe take your argument seriously if you went the route of "guns in some cases act as an equalizer of lethal force." Because that's generally true. It's also generally true that if you have a gun and lack the training to use it, that's... well... problematic.

Also worth noting that most women who are raped are at home or a friend's home, in a comfortable setting. They're also mostly killed there too. By guns their own family own. http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2017.pdf

 

[Altfish]

I read the news....England is a raging cauldron of violence compared to where I live.

 

[Revoltingest]

See how easy it is to mischaracterize a country if one makes erroneous inferences?
My trick worked!

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Would you like to list the various ways in which you would like people to protect their homes...... or are you just thinking of everybody going to bed cuddling a gun?

I have a female friend who owns several guns, and literally sleeps with a gun right next to her bed. She is a great person, and would never hurt any innocent person but knows how to defend herself.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

No, it isn't. It's a biological fact that the average human male is physically stronger than the average human female. There are many human females who are physically stronger than many human males. Bell curves - lots of zones of overlap.

I could maybe take your argument seriously if you went the route of "guns in some cases act as an equalizer of lethal force." Because that's generally true. It's also generally true that if you have a gun and lack the training to use it, that's... well... problematic.

Of course there are some females stronger than some males. That's obvious, and I'm pretty sure you know what I meant, although perhaps I should have been more precise in my statement. As far as training goes, yes, I already said I only advocate concealed carry for those who 1) have no criminal record, and 2) have extensive training.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I'd rather address the sexism that contributes to a culture of sexual assault than pretend adding guns is helping keep women safe from it.

We should absolutely address that too. But a woman walking alone at night through a dangerous neighborhood is safer if she's carrying a gun and knows how to use it. That should be obvious.

 

[Willamena]

I think that there is a gun problem in the United States, and I think measures need to be taken to control excessive and unrestricted gun sales, like strict background checks. However, I have a serious problem with propositions to repeal the second Amendment. I am also a strong advocate of allowing concealed carry for anyone who passes rigorous background checks and training. One of the biggest reasons for this is a women's rights issue. Men, as a general rule, are physically stronger than women, so women should absolutely have the right to carry firearms to defend themselves against potential rapists, attackers, and other violent men. A society that disarms its citizens is a society that disarms women, which will, in my opinion, ultimately lead to a society in which women, and all vulnerable citizens, are much more unsafe. This also applies to citizens who need to protect their homes and their families from violent criminals breaking into their homes. Unless citizens have equal access to guns, the physically strong and malevolent would trample the rights of the physically weak. As the old quote says "The good lord made us man and woman, but Smith and Wesson made us equal."

If you really believed in women's rights, you would not paint them as the weaker, fairer sex.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

We should absolutely address that too. But a woman walking alone at night through a dangerous neighborhood is safer if she's carrying a gun and knows how to use it. That should be obvious.

A woman who has a gun at home, which is more likely where she'll be raped any way, is three times more likely to be killed by it than defend herself with it.