Gun Rights are Women's Rights

[Rational Agnostic]

Grief, where you live must be like the wild west!!
I live in Manchester, England - I have done for 60+ years - maybe I've been lucky BUT I've never carried a gun, a knife, pepper spray and I've never been attacked. My wife is the same, never attacked, never carried.
Of course I've seen fights in pubs, bars and clubs and they occasionally involve dangerous weapons ie the use of a glass or two. But normally it is fists.

You really put me off visiting the US, if you need to carry weapons, it can't be safe.

The US is safe as a whole. Ironically the most dangerous areas are the liberal cities with the strictest gun laws, while the more rural, conservative areas where most people own guns have very little violent crime.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

A woman who has a gun at home, which is more likely where she'll be raped any way, is three times more likely to be killed by it than defend herself with it.

Do you have a source for this info? In any case, I was primarily referring to concealed carry. A woman walking alone through a dangerous neighborhood at night should at the very least have the right to carry a weapon, yes?

 

[Rational Agnostic]

If you really believed in women's rights, you would not paint them as the weaker, fairer sex.

Women are on average, physically weaker than men, but other than that they're 100% equal to men. In fact they are better than men at many things. I don't know why so many of you think this post is sexist...

 

[Willamena]

In fact they are better than men at many things. I don't know why so many of you think this post is sexist...

Maybe because you paint them as the weaker, fairer sex?

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Maybe because you paint them as the weaker, fairer sex?

I didn't. I said that women are on average physically weaker than men. This is a fact. However, in other ways, women are equal to, if not in some ways, superior to, men. You can keep strawmanning me if you want but it's not going to work.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Do you have a source for this info? In any case, I was primarily referring to concealed carry. A woman walking alone through a dangerous neighborhood at night should at the very least have the right to carry a weapon, yes?

I posted it in an earlier reply (I'm on my phone now) but it's part of FBI crime data.

Walking alone through a dangerous area makes up a tiny percent of rape and assault cases. And since a concealed carry invariably goes home, and guns at home represents a larger danger for women, why not focus on less band-aid for amputation style solutions?

 

[oldbadger]

I said her rights here are "superior".
Your country has hate speech laws.
Hate speech laws in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
We don't, so we may legally be more offensive.
(I note though that as #2, you guys try harder.)

So you lot are just more primitive, with much further to go before reaching any standards of decent equality..... right?

I accessed that link, and it helps quite a lot to show how far behind you really are:-

Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, disability, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, gender identity, or sexual orientation is forbidden.

And good ol' Wiki missed out marital status and age.

.....and you reckon that women might have more rights and protections in the US?

Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden.[5] The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.

Excellent! Because this kind of disgusting behavior counts as INCITEMENT TO COMMIT CRIMES here.

I'm glad you mentioned that link.

 

[Altfish]

See how easy it is to mischaracterize a country if one makes erroneous inferences?
My trick worked!

But you still find the need to carry weapons; in my riot and war infested nation, I don't feel the need.
So where is safer?

 

[Altfish]

The US is safe as a whole. Ironically the most dangerous areas are the liberal cities with the strictest gun laws, while the more rural, conservative areas where most people own guns have very little violent crime.

They have very few people compared to the liberal cities.
It is the same the world over, cities have most crime - factor guns in and it is worse.

 

[oldbadger]

I know...........
...... the UK a raging cauldron of violence.....
President Trump's rant about our London Hospitals being like war-zones could have worked better for the honourable member!

Well, I sneaked a peek out of the front door this morning, and all was sleepy-peaceful.....

 

[oldbadger]

I have a female friend who owns several guns, and literally sleeps with a gun right next to her bed. She is a great person, and would never hurt any innocent person but knows how to defend herself.

There you go...........
And I wonder if her home security is rubbish. If she invested in some simple effective home security she could cuddle her pillow instead.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I know...........
...... the UK a raging cauldron of violence.....
President Trump's rant about our London Hospitals being like war-zones could have worked better for the honourable member!

Well, I sneaked a peek out of the front door this morning, and all was sleepy-peaceful.....

Same around these parts, and in most of the countries I have ever visited. Few have evoked any concerns, apart from watching out for the inevitable chancers when differences in wealth are taken into consideration (and only really in cities). The USA has the culture and all the justifications to keep the status quo but what is necessary is just not on the agenda probably for most.

 

[oldbadger]

We should absolutely address that too. But a woman walking alone at night through a dangerous neighborhood is safer if she's carrying a gun and knows how to use it. That should be obvious.

Hang on!
In your scenario, what exactly was this woman doing, walking through a dangerous neighbourhood, and at night? Where was she going? And Why?

Even here in gun-controlled Kent, England, if a woman wants to walk somewhere at night, through any neighbourhood, she'd probably get a lift off a mate, call a taxi, use a bus, etc.......

And what exactly is your country doing to reduce danger in neighbourhoods? They begin to look like war-zones!

 

[Altfish]

Hang on!
In your scenario, what exactly was this woman doing, walking through a dangerous neighbourhood, and at night? Where was she going? And Why?

Even here in gun-controlled Kent, England, if a woman wants to walk somewhere at night, through any neighbourhood, she'd probably get a lift off a mate, call a taxi, use a bus, etc.......

And what exactly is your country doing to reduce danger in neighbourhoods? They begin to look like war-zones!

Perhaps they should build a wall.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you lot are just more primitive, with much further to go before reaching any standards of decent equality..... right?

I accessed that link, and it helps quite a lot to show how far behind you really are:-

And good ol' Wiki missed out marital status and age.

.....and you reckon that women might have more rights and protections in the US?


Excellent! Because this kind of disgusting behavior counts as INCITEMENT TO COMMIT CRIMES here.

I'm glad you mentioned that link.

So hate speech is incitement to commit crimes, eh.
You guys sure do like to be controlled.

 

[Revoltingest]

But you still find the need to carry weapons....

Your saying "need" is a mis-statement.
I say "choose".

...in my riot and war infested nation, I don't feel the need.
So where is safer?

Your personal feelings don't address which is safer.

Edit....
This was in the news today.
Cyclist attacks driver with massive 'zombie killer' knife in broad daylight in south London street

 

[Rational Agnostic]

There you go...........
And I wonder if her home security is rubbish. If she invested in some simple effective home security she could cuddle her pillow instead.

Home security at best can alert the police that a criminal is in the house, but it doesn't do anything to stop the criminal.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I posted it in an earlier reply (I'm on my phone now) but it's part of FBI crime data.

Walking alone through a dangerous area makes up a tiny percent of rape and assault cases. And since a concealed carry invariably goes home, and guns at home represents a larger danger for women, why not focus on less band-aid for amputation style solutions?

My apologies for not noticing your previous link. In any case, do you actually think people should not have the right to carry for self-defense? In that case I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Altfish]

Your saying "need" is a mis-statement.
I say "choose".

Your personal feelings don't address which is safer.

Edit....
This was in the news today.
Cyclist attacks driver with massive 'zombie killer' knife in broad daylight in south London street

There were approximately 200 deaths by knife in UK last year, about a 1/3 in the 16-24 year old category; the majority of all of them were gang related in London.
I live 200-miles away, There was a death in my town after a fight outside a club at about 2am in the morning; it was headline news for about 4-weeks. It is so rare that you are as likely to be struck by lightning.

Basically, what you are saying is, if you had been at the scene in the picture above, there would be one dead lad now.
As it happens there were none dead but both the cyclist and the motorist was lucky they didn't get killed.
Or if the UK guns laws were the same as the US the motorist would have been dead.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

There were approximately 200 deaths by knife in UK last year, about a 1/3 in the 16-24 year old category; the majority of all of them were gang related in London.
I live 200-miles away, There was a death in my town after a fight outside a club at about 2am in the morning; it was headline news for about 4-weeks. It is so rare that you are as likely to be struck by lightning.

Basically, what you are saying is, if you had been at the scene in the picture above, there would be one dead lad now.
As it happens there were none dead but both the cyclist and the motorist was lucky they didn't get killed.
Or if the UK guns laws were the same as the US the motorist would have been dead.

I'm not sure your gun laws deserve all the credit for your low homicide rate. We seem to have a culture of violence in the US unfortunately. I love this country, but there are some aspects of our culture that are just toxic. So, the only option at this point is to at the very least give law-abiding citizens the right to defend themselves.