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Guns, Guns, Guns!!!

jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-related crime rate in the civilized world.


Adult men are issued military grade rifles to be kept in the home.
Cultural differences are a huge part of the reason the Swiss have such a low
homicide rate.
That country isn't the vast melting pot of races, religions, and culture the
U.S.A. is.
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
I COMPLETELY see the anti gun perspective.
I also see how and why that stance is so emotional.
Murder is so personal.
It seems that of a psychological perspective family members can deal with a loved
one being killed in an auto accident.
But firearms deaths are so "preventable". Or so it seems
Just eliminate firearms.
Why not eliminate personal vehicles and let people take mass transit?
Mass transit using electricity driven vehicles reduces the carbon foot print.
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

Veteran Member
jeager106 said:
Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-related crime rate in the civilized world.


Adult men are issued military grade rifles to be kept in the home.
Cultural differences are a huge part of the reason the Swiss have such a low
homicide rate.
That country isn't the vast melting pot of races, religions, and culture the
U.S.A. is.
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Hi! :)

The ammunition for those conscripted Swiss service personnel guns has to be kept in a central arsenal and not in their homes. That fact makes a huge difference in gun violence and suicide rates.
 
Palehorse

Palehorse

Active Member
War use to be settled by the almighty sword(the tongue). There has been war ever since the sword was invented. Guns need to be holstered. And the sword needs to be the law of the land.

th
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Palehorse said:
War use to be settled by the almighty sword(the tongue). There has been war ever since the sword was invented. Guns need to be holstered. And the sword needs to be the law of the land.

th
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What "war", how many, and when, were solved with the tongue?
Inquiring minds don'cha'know?
If you refer to treaties and agreements then it wasn't war now was it.
Unless those treaties and agreements were broken.
Many were.
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Buttercup said:
Hi! :)

The ammunition for those conscripted Swiss service personnel guns has to be kept in a central arsenal and not in their homes. That fact makes a huge difference in gun violence and suicide rates.
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" rapid deployment units and the military police still store government issued ammunition at home today"

From wiki.
 
Palehorse

Palehorse

Active Member
jeager106 said:
What "war", how many, and when, were solved with the tongue?
Inquiring minds don'cha'know?
If you refer to treaties and agreements then it wasn't war now was it.
Unless those treaties and agreements were broken.
Many were.
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Parallel Verses
New International Version
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

New Living Translation
Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.

English Standard Version
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Berean Study Bible
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

Berean Literal Bible
The heaven and the earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

New American Standard Bible
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

King James Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

International Standard Version
Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear."

NET Bible
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Heaven and Earth will pass away, and my words will not pass away.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The earth and the heavens will disappear, but my words will never disappear.

New American Standard 1977
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

Jubilee Bible 2000
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

King James 2000 Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

American King James Version
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

American Standard Version
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass.

Darby Bible Translation
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall in no wise pass away.

English Revised Version
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Webster's Bible Translation
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Weymouth New Testament
Earth and sky will pass away, but it is certain that my words will not pass away.

World English Bible
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Young's Literal Translation
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.



Alot of treaties...Jesus has the biggest guns of all!
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

Veteran Member
jeager106 said:
" rapid deployment units and the military police still store government issued ammunition at home today"

From wiki.
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Wait. I thought we were talking about the military and not police?

This is what I see on Wiki:

"Storage of military-issued ammunition

Prior to 2007 members of the Swiss Militia were supplied with 50-rounds of ammunition for their military weapon in a sealed ammo box that was regularly audited by the government. This was so that, in the case of an emergency, the militia could respond quickly. However, since 2007 this practice has been discontinued. Only 2,000 specialist militia members (who protect airports and other sites of particular sensitivity) are permitted to keep their military-issued ammunition at home. The rest of the militia get their ammunition from their military armory in the event of an emergency.[9][13]"
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Buttercup said:
Wait. I thought we were talking about the military and not police?

This is what I see on Wiki:

"Storage of military-issued ammunition

Prior to 2007 members of the Swiss Militia were supplied with 50-rounds of ammunition for their military weapon in a sealed ammo box that was regularly audited by the government. This was so that, in the case of an emergency, the militia could respond quickly. However, since 2007 this practice has been discontinued. Only 2,000 specialist militia members (who protect airports and other sites of particular sensitivity) are permitted to keep their military-issued ammunition at home. The rest of the militia get their ammunition from their military armory in the event of an emergency.[9][13]"
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Thanks for the information.
 
S

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
jeager106 said:
Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-related crime rate in the civilized world.


Adult men are issued military grade rifles to be kept in the home.
Cultural differences are a huge part of the reason the Swiss have such a low
homicide rate.
That country isn't the vast melting pot of races, religions, and culture the
U.S.A. is.
Click to expand...

Buttercup said:
Hi! :)

The ammunition for those conscripted Swiss service personnel guns has to be kept in a central arsenal and not in their homes. That fact makes a huge difference in gun violence and suicide rates.
Click to expand...

Well crap! Why don't we copy what is actually working for other countries for both gun owners and non gun owners.

I can throw numbers from UK, Australia, Japan , Korea... Clearly, there's a system that works outside of US from no guns to more control of guns.

What is stopping us from emulating what has been proven to work or at least working better than the US?

On a tangent but more with the OP since he mentioned the 2nd amendment...
I never agreed with the 2nd amendment. It's out-dated and like the bible, it relies heavily on interpretation. If we need to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government, then we should arm ourselves on par with that government. Guns don't match up with a full arsenal by the government and especially against the most powerful and well armed government in the world. So, it's not about just guns if we want to invoke the essence of the 2nd amendment. Otherwise guns don't match up tactically with other weapons. The only scenario I see is guerrilla warfare where the government doesn't want to kill innocent civilians. But even then, don't you think it's a bit delusional to believe that only guns can prevent a tyrannical government?
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Palehorse said:
Parallel Verses
New International Version
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

New Living Translation
Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.

English Standard Version
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Berean Study Bible
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

Berean Literal Bible
The heaven and the earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

New American Standard Bible
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

King James Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

International Standard Version
Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear."

NET Bible
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Heaven and Earth will pass away, and my words will not pass away.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The earth and the heavens will disappear, but my words will never disappear.

New American Standard 1977
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

Jubilee Bible 2000
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

King James 2000 Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

American King James Version
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

American Standard Version
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass.

Darby Bible Translation
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall in no wise pass away.

English Revised Version
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Webster's Bible Translation
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Weymouth New Testament
Earth and sky will pass away, but it is certain that my words will not pass away.

World English Bible
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Young's Literal Translation
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.



Alot of treaties...Jesus has the biggest guns of all!
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I have to give you props for doing all that posting work. :)
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
suncowiam said:
I was being a little bit rhetorical. =)

My answers are the NRA and the 2nd amendment, hence, why I addressed the 2nd amendment. The NRA is all about the 2nd amendment. It's their one and only leg.
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It is! And it's a good "leg". Constitution don'cha'know?

NRA’s more than 4 million members—a number that has more than tripled since 1978.

Wonder how many N.R.A. members have committed mass murder?

NRA is a less-likely-to-murder subset of the legal gun owning public, which is itself a much less likely to murder subset of the overall gun owning public. It's generally illegally owned guns which are the most dangerous. One still may believe in gun control otherwise, which is independent of that.

I'm not an N.R.A. member. Once was but got sick and tired of being solicited
for money and still more money.
I donated $25 bucks a few times decades ago and was solicited for more money again and again via telephone, mail and internet e-mail.
I donated for a while then added up what I donated in one year.
Over $300 bucks! I couldn't afford to keep that up.
The N.R.A. gets a little stupid with paranoia.
This
(CCRKBA) Citizens Committee to Keep and Bear Arms, less rabid, and sensible, and
is a much more moderate group.
Does anyone blame the weapon used or the culture that spawns murder in the name
of some "god"?
Know how easy it is to make a bomb from articles already in most homes?
I do. I won't publish the "how" anywhere.
Recall the home made bomb made with a pressure cooker?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...zine-pressure-cooker-bomb-directions/2088109/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...zine-pressure-cooker-bomb-directions/2088109/

I could post more but am afraid some bozo might try to make one and hurt someone.

I know how to turn a 50 pound sack of fertilizer into a nasty powerful explosive.
( Bomb school, police work don't cha' know)
Part of my job was to defuse home made bombs.
Made me nervous. A lady once gave me a hand grenade she found found in
her departed hubby's closet.
I gave it to the Akron bomb squad to destroy.
I sure wasn't going to training or not.
In bomb school we did throw live grenades under CLOSE supervision.
It was a blast.
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Sorry.




 
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