Guns, Guns, Guns!!!

[jeager106]

Thewierdtophat says:
"They knew full well weapons would advance over time. Doesn't make sense to call them "assault" weapons. Every weapon is an assault weapon. You know how expensive a gun is? Most people aren't likely to own an automatic weapon anyway due to the cost.

But the founding fathers wanted us to have weapons to defend ourselves. It was never to hunt or go to a shooting range, it was specifically for preventing your own government from oppressing you."

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yup. That pretty well sums it up.
Good guns expensive?
Yup. Sure are.
A modern sporting rifle, ( libs call them assault rifles) would set one back over a grand.
Then add extra magazines, and ammo and you are passing $1500 bucks.
A good telescopic sight? Add another $5 or six hundred.
I hate to replace mine if something happened to them.
Frankly I just couldn't afford it.
7.62x39 Semi Auto AK-47 Assault Rifle AK47 $1,000 bucks.

H&K Model 91 Assault Rifle
$2,500.00

Top of the line. But you won't get one for under a grand then add the $5 or $600.00
for a good quality telescopic sight.
I use mine for "assaulting" groundhogs.
Yes I do eat them. Groundhogs not rifles.
Farmers LOVE me.
Dairy farmers cringe when a $1200.00 (cheap one) breaks a leg in a groundhog
hole and has to be shot on the spot and dragged away to rot.
No they can't usually be butchered for meat.
Infection quickly sets in and renders the meat bad for consumption.
That and the poor cow is often far from the barn and not found very quickly so
infection is the norm.
Can't lead the cow to the barn with a broken leg ya know.
I have no idea how many g.h.'s I've taken. Hundreds for sure.
Eaten quite a few also. Pretty hard to starve an ol' country boy.

 

[Mindmaster]

I doubt any move to limit people of certain ethnicities would fly very well regardless of what the numbers say.

It's not about addressing gun control, it's about addressing the ghetto violence problem. People have to deal with the real (and localized) problem.

 

[Mindmaster]

While I agree with you and I do advocate for gun ownership, the concept of preventing the government from oppressing the people is outdated. Your privately owned AR-15 variant doesn't stand a chance against:

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When everyone had the same weapons, sure it was a feasible notion. In this day and age...nah.

Any questions?

Neither of these weapons is effective vs Al-Qaeda or ISIS or anyone else with boots on the ground. Tanks are vulnerable to infantry even with just makeshift explosives, and track cutters. They are mostly useful only against enemy armor, and pretty useless otherwise. They are extremely weak in urban environments too. Bombers are only good vs installations, so anyone that keeps on the move is not going to be vulnerable to that. Real conflicts are settled with boots on the ground.

 

[jeager106]

You are correct. That 13% number accounts for all blacks in the US. In reality the percentage that is doing all that killing is much lower, as children and most women don't commit murder. Therefore, the actual percentage of blacks that are responsible for over half the murders in the US each year is closer to 5%. That figure accounts for teenage males up through the age of 50.

Having served as a police officer and a detective I can say with certainty that the crime
rate in black neighborhoods was significantly higher than in the same white
neighborhoods; groups having similar economic situations and other demographics.
Our city was at least 40% non white.
Black literally lived on the "wrong side of the tracks".
A railroad town divided by r.r. tracks.
This isn't racial, it's cultural.
Under privileged young blacks almost never knew for sure who the father was
and if they did had little to no contact with the sperm donor.
Our city was home to a very expensive Presbyterian college.
The odd sexual assault against female students were carried out by younger
black males.
The few violent crimes on campus were carried out by local black males.
This isn't at all racial. It was what it was.
The number of young black males that carried out these acts was quite small
compared to the rest of that population.

 

[Neo Deist]

Neither of these weapons is effective vs Al-Qaeda or ISIS or anyone else with boots on the ground. Tanks are vulnerable to infantry even with just makeshift explosives, and track cutters. They are mostly useful only against enemy armor, and pretty useless otherwise. They are extremely weak in urban environments too. Bombers are only good vs installations, so anyone that keeps on the move is not going to be vulnerable to that. Real conflicts are settled with boots on the ground.

Dude, I appreciate the thought, but I am 11 Bravo (army infantry). Let me tell you now that as an infantryman, there is nothing that I carry on a normal basis that will even put a dent in a M1 Abrams tank, much less take down a high altitude stealth bomber.

 

[Neo Deist]

Having served as a police officer and a detective I can say with certainty that the crime
rate in black neighborhoods was significantly higher than in the same white
neighborhoods; groups having similar economic situations and other demographics.
Our city was at least 40% non white.
Black literally lived on the "wrong side of the tracks".
A railroad town divided by r.r. tracks.
This isn't racial, it's cultural.
Under privileged young blacks almost never knew for sure who the father was
and if they did had little to no contact with the sperm donor.
Our city was home to a very expensive Presbyterian college.
The odd sexual assault against female students were carried out by younger
black males.
The few violent crimes on campus were carried out by local black males.
This isn't at all racial. It was what it was.
The number of young black males that carried out these acts was quite small
compared to the rest of that population.

It's the same here. Been a cop for 12 years, 6 of those as a CSI.

 

[Nietzsche]

Doesn't make sense to call them "assault" weapons. Every weapon is an assault weapon.

..no, no they are not. An assault weapon(assault rifle) was born out of the need to make a distinction between bolt-action rifles, sub-machine guns, light and general-purpose machine guns. A weapon that packed roughly the same punch as a rifle but could be maneuvered more easily than an LMG, which generally require a bipod to use properly.

These are assault rifles.

 

[Palehorse]

M-16's...were actually designed to wound the enemy. Makes the enemy use more resources.

These guns do more damage.

 

[Demonslayer]

M-16's...were actually designed to wound the enemy. Makes the enemy use more resources.

These guns do more damage.

I need one of those for home protection.

 

[fantome profane]

Neither of these weapons is effective vs Al-Qaeda or ISIS or anyone else with boots on the ground. Tanks are vulnerable to infantry even with just makeshift explosives, and track cutters. They are mostly useful only against enemy armor, and pretty useless otherwise. They are extremely weak in urban environments too. Bombers are only good vs installations, so anyone that keeps on the move is not going to be vulnerable to that. Real conflicts are settled with boots on the ground.

It is not about tanks and bombers. It is about the entire infrastructure and virtually unlimited resources of the federal government.

Can you really imagine fighting a guerilla war against the U.S. government on U.S. soil in 2016? And do you really think that this is more effective than getting a lawyer or starting a political movement. That is how you fight government oppression in 2016. The gun is not going to help you against government oppression. If anything it will make your struggle that much more difficult. Look at what those morons did in Oregon. Did they succeed?

 

[jeager106]

It's the same here. Been a cop for 12 years, 6 of those as a CSI.

Fantastic! STAY SAFE.
Only another police officer understands the literal hell we sometimes endure.
Seldom to "others" understand what it's like being cross examined on the witness
stand by a defense attorney who's sold purpose is to make the police officer
look like a lying bigot.
I recall one high priced lawyer who was found of raising his voice to impress the
jury during one of his tirades.
He went on for several minutes loudly berating me just short of contempt of court.
When he was finished I replied; " I'm sorry sir could you repeat that?"
That took the wind out of windy!
The jury and judge snickered.
Later the judge admonished me to not do that again.
The prosecution won the case and another bada$$ went down.
How 'bout eye witnesses? I'd trade FIVE eyewitnesses for ONE fingerprint any day.
Fingerprints aren't subject to human misinterpretations or emotions. (or lies)

 

[fantome profane]

Fingerprints aren't subject to human misinterpretations or emotions. (or lies)

What is your take on this?

 

[jeager106]

M-16's...were actually designed to wound the enemy. Makes the enemy use more resources.

These guns do more damage.

Not quite the reason for the CARTIDGE. The weapon injures no one it's the bullet.

The cartridge was made smaller to carry more ammo with less weight.
I'd lots rather have 500 rounds of 5.56 then 7.62 Nato. to lug around.
The very high velocity causes awful wounds and even non fatal hits can be quite
fatal later.
Smaller rounds means an individual can carry more ammo.
How much ammo is needed in a gun battle?
ALL ONE CAN CARRY.

 

[Palehorse]

Fingerprints aren't subject to human misinterpretations or emotions. (or lies)

In cyber crimes like child porn they are...

 

[jeager106]

That was a t-v show.
Odds of two people having the same fingerprints?
1 in 64,000,000 (statistic from the FBI).

 

[suncowiam]

It's the same here. Been a cop for 12 years, 6 of those as a CSI.

Fantastic! STAY SAFE.
Only another police officer understands the literal hell we sometimes endure.
Seldom to "others" understand what it's like being cross examined on the witness
stand by a defense attorney who's sold purpose is to make the police officer
look like a lying bigot.
I recall one high priced lawyer who was found of raising his voice to impress the
jury during one of his tirades.
He went on for several minutes loudly berating me just short of contempt of court.
When he was finished I replied; " I'm sorry sir could you repeat that?"
That took the wind out of windy!
The jury and judge snickered.
Later the judge admonished me to not do that again.
The prosecution won the case and another bada$$ went down.
How 'bout eye witnesses? I'd trade FIVE eyewitnesses for ONE fingerprint any day.
Fingerprints aren't subject to human misinterpretations or emotions. (or lies)

Hey, no matter how much we differ in our views, I just wanted to say that I do appreciate the service that individuals commit to police and military. It's a dangerous profession but absolutely needed so I offer my gratitude.

Thanks

 

[jeager106]

I realize the person reading and matching the prints might err.
That is doubtful however.
We went our "lifted" prints from a crime scene to the F.B.I. for comparison.
It took weeks but worth it to me.

 

[jeager106]

Hey, no matter how much we differ in our views, I just wanted to say that I do appreciate the service that individuals commit to police and military. It's a dangerous profession but absolutely needed so I offer my gratitude.

Thanks

Well that was AWESOME!
And appreciated.
I was finally disabled due to my 4th serious back injury after NINE months in
rehab physical therapy learning to walk right again. Lost use of my left leg
you see.
I have ZERO resentments against the criminal and hope he enjoys a
good life today.
After rehab I went to college, earned 2 degrees and finished my working life
as a supervisor with G.M.
So I sit on my behind and enjoy my o.k. police retirement and a bit of s.s. due
to the G.M. job.
It's ALL good.
I rehabbed from alcoholism (wonder why I drank?) and enjoy my A.A. sober life.
Heck I have considered auditing classes in college just for the sake of learning.

 

[suncowiam]

Well that was AWESOME!
And appreciated.
I was finally disabled due to my 4th serious back injury after NINE months in
rehab physical therapy learning to walk right again. Lost use of my left leg
you see.
I have ZERO resentments against the criminal and hope he enjoys a
good life today.
After rehab I went to college, earned 2 degrees and finished my working life
as a supervisor with G.M.
So I sit on my behind and enjoy my o.k. police retirement and a bit of s.s. due
to the G.M. job.
It's ALL good.
I rehabbed from alcoholism (wonder why I drank?) and enjoy my A.A. sober life.
Heck I have considered auditing classes in college just for the sake of learning.

From all the description you've provided and the actual extreme reality of your criminals, I can only say, that is a crazy job that I would not have the fortitude to do.

Keep on taking care of yourself. =)

 

[Neo Deist]

Hey, no matter how much we differ in our views, I just wanted to say that I do appreciate the service that individuals commit to police and military. It's a dangerous profession but absolutely needed so I offer my gratitude.

Thanks

Thanks!

Now get back to bashing me on my views and non-sugar coated posts.

Edit: come to think of it, my job is probably WHY I say the things that I do. You have to grow some thick skin and laugh at death in order to be a CSI for any major city (I am in Birmingham, AL.).