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Gunshot wounds--leading cause of death for American children

Pogo

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John53

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It seems no one is shocked any more, it's become expected. These sort of things barely make the news here in Australia,
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

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Kathryn said:
I don't think you will find that guns are the leading cause of death for American children.

www.snopes.com

Are Guns the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the US?

Motor vehicle-related crashes used to be the leading cause of death among children and teens.
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The CNN article I cited was well-researched, but John53 is correct about the earlier (updated in 2023) factcheck article. All it did was change around some of the assumptions to get vehicle-related deaths above gun deaths. So your nitpick doesn't really tell us anything significant, if all you can do is squint at the data and quibble over which cause wins the gold medal for killing children. Obviously, one could also just say "leading cause of teenage deaths" to alter the results, as well.

I wouldn't argue with an attempt to strengthen vehicle safety laws as well as gun safety laws. The former would be less politically controversial in the US, apparently.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

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Copernicus said:
The CNN article I cited was well-researched, but John53 is correct about the earlier (updated in 2023) factcheck article. All it did was change around some of the assumptions to get vehicle-related deaths above gun deaths. So your nitpick doesn't really tell us anything significant, if all you can do is squint at the data and quibble over which cause wins the gold medal for killing children. Obviously, one could also just say "leading cause of teenage deaths" to alter the results, as well.

I wouldn't argue with an attempt to strengthen vehicle safety laws as well as gun safety laws. The former would be less politically controversial in the US, apparently.
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I'm just saying what I know. Guns are not THE leading cause of death of kids in the US.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
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Clearly according to some, the problem is restrictive gun laws. After all, why should terrorists, criminals and the insane be barred from owning a gun. There was no such restriction in 1776 so there should be none today. (sarcasm in case anyone thinks I'm serious)
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

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Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Kathryn said:
I'm just saying what I know. Guns are not THE leading cause of death of kids in the US.
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No, you don't know that. As has been clearly pointed out to you, the results of a study change when you redefine what "kid" means. That is a weakness in the Snopes factcheck that you linked to. Again, the best you can come up with is "a leading cause", which is just as bad. Vehicles cause child deaths in every country. Guns stand out as a major cause in the US, but very seldom in other countries.
 
Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Twilight Hue said:
No. The leading cause of death is the Psychopaths that the parents are raising.
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Nonsense. The statistics include all gun usage, including suicides and accidents. Another problem is parents who do not secure their weapons safely and keep them out of the hands of their children. The greatest culpability lies with the legislators who pass laws that make it easier for psychopaths of all ages to get the hands on weapons capable of efficiently injuring or killing large numbers of people.
 
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Copernicus

Copernicus

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In the Apalachee High School mass murder in Georgia, two math teachers and two 14 year old students were killed by a 14 year old student wielding an AR-platform weapon. Wounded survivors may have sustained permanent life-altering disabilities, but they will be largely forgotten by a press that tends to just count dead people as significant. I would call it an urban terrorist assault rifle, since it seems to be the type of weapon most favored by domestic terrorists. These rifles differ from military grade weapons in that they are not designed for burst or automatic fire, but they are semiautomatic weapons, meaning that they allow rapid fire by successive squeezes of the trigger. The Supreme Court has made it legal to fit bump stocks to these rifles, thus simulating automatic fire weapons in crowded venues. The urban assault style weapons are designed to fit some large capacity magazines, but a number of states now limit those to just 10 or 15 rounds before they need to be changed. I assume that lawmakers felt that this limitation gives many potential victims a sporting chance to find cover before the shooting starts again. :rolleyes:
 
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Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Copernicus said:
No, you don't know that. As has been clearly pointed out to you, the results of a study change when you redefine what "kid" means. That is a weakness in the Snopes factcheck that you linked to. Again, the best you can come up with is "a leading cause", which is just as bad. Vehicles cause child deaths in every country. Guns stand out as a major cause in the US, but very seldom in other countries.
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I don't believe that 18 year olds are "kids." And I never said it wasn't awful. In fact, I said the opposite. I think it is terrible. Thankfully it's not that many but even one is horrible.
 
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