Gunshot wounds--leading cause of death for American children

[Kathryn]

Coming back to how 'intolerable' the level of shotgun deaths among young Americans is, what has anyone on this thread done in the last twelve months, other than post messages in a forum, as a result of their intolerance to it?

I haven't done anything.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I would say the only thing conservatives don't support on this list is universal health care and maybe paternity leave but who is not supporting lunch programs or maternity leave etc.?

Republicans.

The free school lunch paradox

Despite Republicans’ ire toward subsidized school meals, peer-reviewed studies show they improve health indicators for students.

harvardpublichealth.org

Congress made school meals free for 2 years. Now, Republicans don't want to extend the program.

"I feel like kids are going to be embarrassed to get lunch again," a food service director in Massachusetts said.

www.businessinsider.com

Republican says hunger is "relative" in argument against free school meals

According to Hunger Solutions Minnesota, one in four food-insecure children in the state fails to qualify for support under current federal programs.

www.newsweek.com

Republicans block Democrats' push to study paid family leave, at one point muting a member's microphone

Republicans on the Legislature's powerful budget writing committee rejected a push from Democrats to hire an economist to study paid family leave

www.jsonline.com

House GOP memo blasts Whitmer’s paid family leave proposal as ‘summer break for adults’ • Michigan Advance

House Republican communications on Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s “What’s Next” address on Wednesday criticized the push for paid family leave alongside efforts to improve abortion access and transition the state to clean energy in a memo obtained by the Advance. In a list of message points dated Aug...

michiganadvance.com

Full list of Republicans who voted against maternity services for veterans

The DOULA for VA Act would require the secretary of veterans affairs to establish a pilot program to provide doula services for veterans.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Copernicus]

Coming back to how 'intolerable' the level of shotgun deaths among young Americans is, what has anyone on this thread done in the last twelve months, other than post messages in a forum, as a result of their intolerance to it?

There is a big difference between AR15 style assault rifles and shotguns, so you may have mistyped "gunshot" there. This is just a discussion and debate forum. What kinds of other activity did you have in mind?

 

[David Young]

Yes, you are absolutely right. I should have typed 'gun-shot deaths' as per the earlier post.

I am calling into question whether gun-shot deaths are in fact intolerable. I would suggest that, however undesirable they may be, if someone does nothing more than discuss them on the internet then they clearly seem to be tolerated. Has anybody here even gone as far as writing to someone in government, even if they have not single-handedly attempted to persuade every firearm-owning person they meet to change their habits?

 

[Colt]

Fetuses aren't children. That's why we don't call them "children". When a woman faces the difficult choice of what to do about an unwanted pregnancy, that is none of your business unless you are the woman facing that decision.

If a pregnant women is killed by a drunk driver or murdered then “suddenly” rational people understand that (2) people were killed. The offender is charged accordingly. In such a scenario it is the jurisdiction of the law representing the rights of the child killed in the womb. With abortion the same child has no rights and isn’t even a child!

 

[McBell]

If a pregnant women is killed by a drunk driver or murdered then “suddenly” rational people understand that (2) people were killed. The offender is charged accordingly. In such a scenario it is the jurisdiction of the law representing the rights of the child killed in the womb. With abortion the same child has no rights and isn’t even a child!

The difference being the legal field and the medical field.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If a pregnant women is killed by a drunk driver or murdered then “suddenly” rational people understand that (2) people were killed. The offender is charged accordingly. In such a scenario it is the jurisdiction of the law representing the rights of the child killed in the womb. With abortion the same child has no rights and isn’t even a child!

Because the choice about what happens to her body belongs to the woman. Not to somebody else doing something to her body against her will.

Learn this word: CONSENT

 

[Colt]

Then why does God "kill unborn children" through miscarriages and/or stillborn? What other decisions should the government make dealing with a woman's personal health? What supposed right do you have to make her personal decisions?

Ask God.

Abortion is fatal to the health of the unborn female.

Because the choice about what happens to her body belongs to the woman. Not to somebody else doing something to her body against her will.

Learn this word: CONSENT

That doesn’t apply to the female child that is killed in an abortion.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ask God.

Abortion is fatal to the health of the unborn female.

That doesn’t apply to the female child that is killed in an abortion.

It applies to the pregnant woman.

 

[Copernicus]

Fetuses aren't children. That's why we don't call them "children". When a woman faces the difficult choice of what to do about an unwanted pregnancy, that is none of your business unless you are the woman facing that decision.

If a pregnant women is killed by a drunk driver or murdered then “suddenly” rational people understand that (2) people were killed. The offender is charged accordingly. In such a scenario it is the jurisdiction of the law representing the rights of the child killed in the womb. With abortion the same child has no rights and isn’t even a child!

Now you want to talk about the special case of the death of a pregnant woman, hoping that it will give you some license to meddle in the pregnancies of women who are not killed by a drunk driver or murdered. Forcing a pregnant woman to have an abortion is, and ought to be, considered a grave crime, just as murder is considered a grave crime. When a pregnant woman is killed, that is a double tragedy because it is both murder and a forced abortion. This has nothing to do with the rights of the fetus, but the rights of the woman and her loved ones. That does not give you or a government state the right to force her to bring a pregnancy to term that she does not want or that threatens her health and safety. Mind your own business, and get your nose out of other people's business.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Now you want to talk about the special case of the death of a pregnant woman, hoping that it will give you some license to meddle in the pregnancies of women who are not killed by a drunk driver or murdered. Forcing a pregnant woman to have an abortion is, and ought to be, considered a grave crime, just as murder is considered a grave crime. When a pregnant woman is killed, that is a double tragedy because it is both murder and a forced abortion. This has nothing to do with the rights of the fetus, but the rights of the woman and her loved ones. That does not give you or a government state the right to force her to bring a pregnancy to term that she does not want or that threatens her health and safety. Mind your own business, and get your nose out of other people's business.

Hear, hear!

 

[metis]

Ask God.

Maybe you should be the one asking God as it is you making the claim that abortion is "murder".

Abortion is fatal to the health of the unborn female.

How many funerals have you been to for miscarriages or abortions?

The reality is that we've seen women in distress because they can't get medical care in some states because doctors are afraid of losing their licenses or even be put on trial, such as the young teen who was raped and had to flee to Illinois to get the abortion. The doctor said she could suffer irreparable harm to her reproductive system is she had to go full term.

But then do you really care?