Had Hillary been elected would she be doing as bad as Trump?

[Revoltingest]

Like Timothy McVeigh, the crazed losers intent on assassination tend to be on the right... at least in the US.

And you guys own the Unabomber.
We could keep this up all day.

 

[Politesse]

Like Timothy McVeigh, the crazed losers intent on assassination tend to be on the right... at least in the US.

Well, not Czolgosz.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And you guys own the Unabomber.
We could keep this up all day.

I was thinking more about the many, many Americans who keep a cache of guns for "defends against tyranny." You hang out with that crowd more than I do; what do you think their right/left split is?

 

[Revoltingest]

I was thinking more about the many, many Americans who keep a cache of guns for "defends against tyranny." You hang out with that crowd more than I do; what do you think their right/left split is?

The ones I know are neither.
(Guess what that would be.)
Of those I know who have shot other people, it's been in self defense or war.
But I know no one who would assassinate a president just because of dislike.
Awful as a Hillary or Trump could be, I don't see either able to pull off a coup
which would start another revolution. We'd be seeing more tumult than we have.
Assassination in this age would most likely be some loopy lefty convinced by the
media to think Trump is Hitler. It's quite irresponsible of them, eg, NPR.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No, the trumpGrabEm is no Hitler.

For one thing, Hitler had more charisma. For another, Hitler had far more support. Finally, Hitler was more competent.

The trumpnutz is a failed businessman. And an even worse politician.

I suspect he won't make a very good Fascist, either-- trumpGrabEm is too narcissistic.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The ones I know are neither.
(Guess what that would be.)

Libertarian?

IMO, most libertarians, especially the ones fond of guns, are right wingers (or "alt-right", which is still a segment of the right wing).

Of those I know who have shot other people, it's been in self defense or war.
But I know no one who would assassinate a president just because of dislike.

So you don't know ANYONE who claims to be ready to use force "in defense against tyranny" and also believes that a President Hillary Clinton would have been a tyrant?

Awful as a Hillary or Trump could be, I don't see either able to pull off a coup
which would start another revolution. We'd be seeing more tumult than we have.

I didn't say anything about a coup or a revolution.

Assassination in this age would most likely be some loopy lefty convinced by the
media to think Trump is Hitler. It's quite irresponsible of them, eg, NPR.

I also didn't say anything about relative odds of assassination attempts on a President Clinton or a President Trump, but now that you bring it up:

- Trump's opponents are generally not as strong advocates of political violence as Clinton's opponents.

- to the left, Trump has a pretty good poison pill in Mike Pence. Replacing Trump with Pence wouldn't further any leftist agenda I can think of.

- to the left, the odds seem pretty good that Trump will be removed from office via the impeachment process anyhow.

 

[Revoltingest]

IMO, most libertarians, especially the ones fond of guns, are right wingers (or "alt-right", which is still a segment of the right wing).

What do "right winger" & "alt-right" mean up there in Canuckistan?
Do you personally know any libertarians?
What do they believe...as you understand it?

So you don't know ANYONE who claims to be ready to use force "in defense against tyranny" and also believes that a President Hillary Clinton would have been a tyrant?

I know no one who has stated that.
Could someone I know believe that without my knowing?
Sure.

I didn't say anything about a coup or a revolution.

But I did.
Armed fighting against our own government would happen in such situations.

I also didn't say anything about relative odds of assassination attempts on a President Clinton or a President Trump, but now that you bring it up:

You didn't....but I continued your line of thought.

- Trump's opponents are generally not as strong advocates of political violence as Clinton's opponents.

Looking at the election aftermath, I'd say you're bonkers.

- to the left, Trump has a pretty good poison pill in Mike Pence. Replacing Trump with Pence wouldn't further any leftist agenda I can think of.

I've said the same thing of Pence.
But despite that, many lefties have talked of impeachment & even assassination.
Such rash talk is symptomatic of not thinking things fully thru.

- to the left, the odds seem pretty good that Trump will be removed from office via the impeachment process anyhow.

You know enuf to calculate odds?
I haven't a clue what will happen.

 

[columbus]

the odds seem pretty good that Trump will be removed from office via the impeachment process anyhow.

Why does anyone think this?
If anyone can avoid impeachment it's a president from the party who control Capitol Hill. This isn't the 90's.
Tom

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Found thus and thought it was too relevant to not share. By any metric I've heard Trump has fulfilled the scenarios concerned republicans leveled at Hillary and worse. Just going to show the sort of naivete the 'better than Hillary' folks had.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Found thus and thought it was too relevant to not share. By any metric I've heard Trump has fulfilled the scenarios concerned republicans leveled at Hillary and worse. Just going to show the sort of naivete the 'better than Hillary' folks had.

Sounds like something he would say, but still do you have the source? I have seen a few fake Trump sayings and before I share them I would like to confirm it is real.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Sounds like something he would say, but still do you have the source? I have seen a few fake Trump sayings and before I share them I would like to confirm it is real.

I don't think it's meant to be a direct quote, for humors sake, but Trump did call Hillary a criminal and call for investigation and said her 'crookedness' was unbefitting a presidential candidate. Which it turns out was pretty self-fulfilled by Trump himself.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Yes, who could forget the chants of "Lock her up".

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Why does anyone think this?
If anyone can avoid impeachment it's a president from the party who control Capitol Hill. This isn't the 90's.
Tom

I think he'll be impeached sooner or later.

I'd take long odds, before he lasts 199 days-- and entering the Record Books as the second shortest presidential term.

If he isn't directly impeached, he may well resign-- rather than face short odds on the extremely embarrassing impeachment process; regardless if he thinks it'll carry through (unlikey, but could come to a vote, wherein the GOP will cowardly vote no)

The trumpGrabEm has a very tender and thin skin-- if the National Rhetoric gets sufficiently negative, even his massive ego will capitulate.

Especially if he has a "deal" in place for pissPence to immediately pardon his sorry azz...

Watch pence's bank account for a payoff if that happens...

 

[columbus]

I think he'll be impeached sooner or later.

Why?
The same reason you thought he wouldn't get nominated?
Elected?

Tom

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

This is not about what you thought at the time you voted, but in considering everything Trump has done since being elected, do you think Hillary would be doing as bad, worst or better than Trump?

Worse.

But I feel most people would have been happy with Bernie

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Why?
The same reason you thought he wouldn't get nominated?
Elected?

Tom

Because he cannot keep his big, bigoted mouth shut.

Sooner than later, his criminal activities will come out-- and when faced with utter destruction of the GOP, they will be forced to act to save their own skins.

I fully expect trumpGrabEm will claim "ill health" and resign, and the GOP will sweep it all under the rug as is their habit.

We may never learn the depths of depravity that is trumpnazi.

I full expect a deal is already in the works, where pence will pardon trumpnazi, and payment will be made.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Worse.

But I feel most people would have been happy with Bernie

Better than trumpnazi. I'd have reluctantly cast a vote for him, had he actually won the primaries-- but that was very unlikely-- he wasn't a Democrat, after all.

But in truth, he was never a serious contender-- he was a foil, to get trumpEm in office.

There's a fair piece of info suggesting Sanders also had ties to Russia...

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

There's a fair piece of info suggesting Sanders also had ties to Russia...

A cursory Google search turned up nothing.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I was thinking more about the many, many Americans who keep a cache of guns for "defends against tyranny." You hang out with that crowd more than I do; what do you think their right/left split is?

He'll never admit it, but it is common knowledge that the Right is more gung ho for guns than the Left.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

And you guys own the Unabomber.
We could keep this up all day.

The Unabomber was an anarchist.