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Hamas and Hezbollah supporters burn US and Canadian flags, chant "Death to Canada, death to the United States"
- Thread starter Wirey
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I believe the group behind the protest is already on Canada's terrorist list. To answer your question, Yes - this crosses the line. It is not a protest. It is a treason.
From the article:
They usually just say things like "death to America." I don't think I ever heard anyone call out "death to Canada." Sometimes, Canadians complain at being left out, ignored, or overshadowed by their southern neighbor, but here, at least someone included Canada in their "death to" rants. And they even mentioned Canada first, before the United States.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Never heard of them, over the line for peaceful protest but since it does not recommend specific actions against specific entities, it probably still counts as free speech.
Almost, but not quite.
"Death to <whomever>" isn't specific enuf to call for actual violence.
It's analogous to giving the finger, ie, it's not actually a thread to
impose unwanted fornication upon the recipient.
I once heard an interview of a guy who travelled in Iran.
He was in a traffic jam. The taxi driver yelled out the window....
"Death to traffic jams!"
(This was very likely a translation from Farsi.)
FWIW, I don't want death to USA or Canuckistan.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
I have never heard of them, but if they are against the genocide of the Palestinians (by Bibi), then I support them. And no, raising awareness about the evil doings of Israel is not terrorism.
Wirey
Fartist
They're not, as of now.
Wirey
Fartist
They're more about raising awareness of the struggle and fundraising, I believe.
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
I'm a US American, not a Canadian, so it's not my problem that someone's burning a Canadian flag, there. I didn't see any mention in the article about a US flag being burned, though.
BTW my position on burning the US flag, even in the US, is the same as what Jesse Ventura said in his Playboy interview: “If you buy the flag, it’s yours to burn.” (Source: Jesse “The Mouth” Ventura |)
I was also curious to see if this article mentioned even one name of an individual involved in this group, and it actually did (but only one): Charlotte Kates.
She's originally from New Jersey, and a lawyer, so that's actually a US American lawyer doing the Canadian flag burning there:
www.dailymail.co.uk
BTW my position on burning the US flag, even in the US, is the same as what Jesse Ventura said in his Playboy interview: “If you buy the flag, it’s yours to burn.” (Source: Jesse “The Mouth” Ventura |)
I was also curious to see if this article mentioned even one name of an individual involved in this group, and it actually did (but only one): Charlotte Kates.
She's originally from New Jersey, and a lawyer, so that's actually a US American lawyer doing the Canadian flag burning there:
Pro-Hamas activist who spoke at Columbia said 'long live October 7'
Charlotte Kates, a major figure in the pro-Palestine movement, has been a constant presence at anti-Israel encampment at the University of British Columbia
^ sick
Much depends on what you mean by support. Given ...
Political leaders are condemning what they describe as "hateful rhetoric" from a speaker at a pro-Palestinian rally in Vancouver who told the crowd that "we are Hezbollah and we are Hamas." [ibid]
... there is a thin line between
"we are Hezbollah and we are Hamas"
and "we are Hezbollah and we are Hamas, and we intend to act as such, and we call on you to join us."
Wow.
You find this.....
"....the genocide of the Palestinians (by Bibi), then I support them."
to be "sick"?
On the surface, this says you support genocide.
What do you mean?
Pursing links about this organization, the claim
of being a terrorist organization appears unsupported.
But then, it's common for Zionist leaning types to
label everyone supporting Palestinians, & criticizing
Israel as "anti-semitic" & "terrorist". So claims
should be taken with a grain of salt.
Samidoun
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
If you say so.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Lest it be a false flag ... .. as it is pretty stupid to be chanting such a thing .. really dumb and dumber .. such that .. it should tickle giggle reflex for any with awareness. And Regardless .. there are always a couple of good for nothings at any of these rallys .. on should never cast the group in the same light as the wing nuts getting the biased media coverage .. Right !?
Thus this BS does not characterize the protest is my guess .. and Shouting "Death to Nation you live in" .. isn't like shouting fire in crowded theatre but .. sure .. some charge like treason of a misdemeanor type .. civil penalty .. like a parking violation. ... a fine .. and warning to shut stupid mouth.
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
Now for the correct perspective on this; here are the relevant parts that were omitted:
To me, burning a flag that you own yourself is the epitome of an exercise in expressing free speech. No one gets harmed or killed by such an act in itself, and there's an expression that I think applies well to a situation like this:
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words (or flag burning) will never hurt me.
If the Canadians allow such exercise of free speech, I respect them for that & if they don't, then I look on them for that, but nothing more.
I think these people are just idiots. I support the protests for better conditions in Gaza, I support those who are protesting for peace. There is a lot to criticize Israel for, but those who think that Hamas or Hezbollah are the good guys in this conflict are just idiots.
And I don't care if you burn the Canadian flag, just practice good fire safety. Have a fire extinguisher close by.
And I don't care if you burn the Canadian flag, just practice good fire safety. Have a fire extinguisher close by.