Hamilton County (TX) May Install Ten Commandments Monument Outside Courthouse

[Skwim]

In which case angered citizens may exercise the right of the sledge hammer---actually, I'd like to see the thing put up just to see it torn down.

"For some reason, the commissioners in Hamilton County, Texas think it’d be a great idea to install a stand-alone Ten Commandments monument outside the local courthouse, despite a very clear Supreme Court ruling that says that very thing is an illegal promotion of Christianity.

There’s already an “In God We Trust” sign outside the courthouse which skirts the boundary of church/state separation but has traditionally been on the “legal” side of it. The Ten Commandments one, however, would cross that boundary without question.

When the commissioners met this week, the discussion went in the wrong direction when a local judge cosplaying Roy Moore insisted there was nothing wrong with the potential Christian monument.

“I have no problem bringing it before the court and the will of the people in my opinion will be served,” County Judge Mark Tynes said.

“There have been those who waved the Constitution at me and I said, ‘OK wonderful, show me in the Constitution where what we are doing is against the Constitution?’”​

It’s in the amendments somewhere. One of the first few, I think. Pretty early in the bunch.

Christ, that man is a judge…"
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What is it, the water they drink down south?

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[The Reverend Bob]

In which case angered citizens may exercise the right of the sledge hammer---actually, I'd like to see the thing put up just to see it torn down.

"For some reason, the commissioners in Hamilton County, Texas think it’d be a great idea to install a stand-alone Ten Commandments monument outside the local courthouse, despite a very clear Supreme Court ruling that says that very thing is an illegal promotion of Christianity.

There’s already an “In God We Trust” sign outside the courthouse which skirts the boundary of church/state separation but has traditionally been on the “legal” side of it. The Ten Commandments one, however, would cross that boundary without question.

When the commissioners met this week, the discussion went in the wrong direction when a local judge cosplaying Roy Moore insisted there was nothing wrong with the potential Christian monument.

“I have no problem bringing it before the court and the will of the people in my opinion will be served,” County Judge Mark Tynes said.

“There have been those who waved the Constitution at me and I said, ‘OK wonderful, show me in the Constitution where what we are doing is against the Constitution?’”​

It’s in the amendments somewhere. One of the first few, I think. Pretty early in the bunch.

Christ, that man is a judge…"
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What is it, the water they drink down south?

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Is it a municipal or county courthouse. Because they Establishment Clause does not apply to municipal or county governments.

 

[Enoch07]

I'd like to see the thing put up just to see it torn down.

Nice inciting violence and destruction of govt property so your fee fees won't get hurt. Not cool.

 

[columbus]

Is it a municipal or county courthouse. Because they Establishment Clause does not apply to municipal or county governments.

Back when the godly Christians of Texas were lynching black folk, was that because municipalities weren't obliged to constitutional law as well?
Tom

 

[Darkforbid]

In which case angered citizens may exercise the right of the sledge hammer---actually, I'd like to see the thing put up just to see it torn down.

"For some reason, the commissioners in Hamilton County, Texas think it’d be a great idea to install a stand-alone Ten Commandments monument outside the local courthouse, despite a very clear Supreme Court ruling that says that very thing is an illegal promotion of Christianity.

There’s already an “In God We Trust” sign outside the courthouse which skirts the boundary of church/state separation but has traditionally been on the “legal” side of it. The Ten Commandments one, however, would cross that boundary without question.

When the commissioners met this week, the discussion went in the wrong direction when a local judge cosplaying Roy Moore insisted there was nothing wrong with the potential Christian monument.

“I have no problem bringing it before the court and the will of the people in my opinion will be served,” County Judge Mark Tynes said.

“There have been those who waved the Constitution at me and I said, ‘OK wonderful, show me in the Constitution where what we are doing is against the Constitution?’”​

It’s in the amendments somewhere. One of the first few, I think. Pretty early in the bunch.

Christ, that man is a judge…"
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What is it, the water they drink down south?

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Why are you against everything Christian?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Back when the godly Christians of Texas were lynching black folk, was that because municipalities weren't obliged to constitutional law as well?
Tom

Quit with the hyperbole

 

[columbus]

Nice inciting violence and destruction of govt property so your fee fees won't get hurt. Not cool.

Who incited this problem?

There wouldn't be a problem if religionists kept their religion in their safe place, church. Now would there?
Tom

 

[Enoch07]

Who incited this problem?

There wouldn't be a problem if religionists kept their religion in their safe place, church. Now would there?
Tom

That's like saying violence on LGBT wouldn't be a problem if LGBT people weren't LGBT.

Nice victim blaming bra.

 

[columbus]

Quit with the hyperbole

As opposed to "No, that didn't happen.", followed by some educational links demonstrating that it wasn't godly Christian folk committing violent crimes because the community was behind them.

Lock Stock and Barrel
Tom

 

[columbus]

That's like saying violence on LGBT wouldn't be a problem if LGBT people weren't LGBT.

Nice victim blaming bra.

B.S.
If queer folk try to get special, extra-Constitutional, rights I'd be opposed to that as well

"Victim Blaming"
You poor poor persecuted WASP heterosexual males!
Tom

 

[Enoch07]

B.S.
If queer folk try to get special, extra-Constitutional, rights I'd be opposed to that as well

"Victim Blaming"
You poor poor persecuted WASP heterosexual males!
Tom

Let go of the hate Tom before it consumes you.

 

[columbus]

Let go of the hate Tom before it consumes you.

I let go of it a long time ago, or I'd be as dead as a lot of gay people are.

Let go of your victimhood, it's not doing you any good.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Really! Since when?

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"Municipalities aren't governed by the Constitution" is one of the newest dodges I've seen.
I'm old, I thought I'd seen them all. But dang, the religious bigots always have a new one up their sleeves!
Tom

 

[Skwim]

Nice inciting violence and destruction of govt property so your fee fees won't get hurt. Not cool.

But destroying illegal government property is oh-so cool.

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[The Reverend Bob]

Really! Since when?

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Have you ever read the Establishment Clause?

 

[columbus]

Why are you against everything Christian?

He isn't against everything Christian. Any more than you are in favor of everything Christian, like genocide and slavery and gender oppression.

You are opposed to those things, aren't you? You've dumped scriptural morality for secular humanism, to a degree?
Haven't you?
Tom

 

[The Reverend Bob]

"Municipalities aren't governed by the Constitution" is one of the newest dodges I've seen.
I'm old, I thought I'd seen them all. But dang, the religious bigots always have a new one up their sleeves!
Tom

Not saying that. I am saying that the Clause does not apply to municipal or county governments, it only apply to the federal government by virtue of the 1st amendment and to states by virtue of the 14th

 

[Enoch07]

But destroying illegal government property is oh-so cool.

Too bad its legal though.

And

Destroying it's a felony. Don't drop the soap!

Let go of your victimhood.

You first pumpkin.

 

[columbus]

Not saying that. I am saying that the Clause does not apply to municipal or county governments, it only apply to the federal government by virtue of the 1st amendment and to states by virtue of the 14th

So be clear.

Do you think local government is restricted by the US Constitution, and the couple of centuries of legal opinions since.
Or do you think that they can do whatever they want, without regard for constitutional law?
Tom

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Do you think local government is restricted by the US Constitution

Local government is restricted in some things but not all things by the Constitution. There is nothing in the language of the Clause that says it applies to local governments and federal and state jurisdiction over them can only go so far.