Happy International Men’s Day!

[VoidCat]

So, you said this:



And then you proceeded to list a bunch of criteria for what supposedly "being a man" is about, most of which include disparagement of women, perceived femininity, and men who enjoy the company of many women.

I see a lot of value in International Men's Day because I believe that men, like women, have many issues that necessitate awareness-raising and attention, but I don't think that tackling and talking about men's issues requires pitting either gender against the other or putting down women, femininity, or men who enjoy women's company. This whole "gender war" stuff strikes me as an especially malignant phenomenon largely rooted in online vitriol and demagoguery from grifters who, implicitly or explicitly, act like addressing either gender's issues is a zero-sum game that necessitates disparaging people of the other gender or minimizing their issues.

This. I have been seen as both a man and a woman. It all depends who it is viewing me if they think I am a man or woman prior to knowing I'm nonbinary if I choose to mention it.

Both men and women are harmed by a lot of issues. For example many daycares around here don't hire males. Why? Because it's assumed only women should care for children and men are less capable. This view also harms women as it comes from the idea women should stay at home with children not work and if they do work then they should only care for another's children. Caring for children according to some is all women want and are good for. The view hurts men who are affectionate and like working with kids do a great job but are seen as less capable of helping with kids.

 

[Debater Slayer]

On that note, I would like to commend you on your thread about International Men's Day.

Happy Men's Day!

To all men on RF and elsewhere, especially ones who work hard for themselves and others, men who struggle with health issues of any kind and strive to be the best version of themselves, men who are expected by society to struggle in silence or suppress their emotions, men who are seen as...

www.religiousforums.com

Peace, my friend.

Thanks. I don't have any issue with celebrating Men's Day, so the core principle behind the OP (celebrating men) is one I would support. It was the content that I found questionable.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ron Swanson - Real Man

 

[JustGeorge]

You can be proud of being a man. You however don't have to put others down.

I agree.

There is no reason why being happy with oneself needs to include disparaging others.

When people do that, I suspect they're not as happy with themselves as they think.

 

[X_Y]

So, you said this:



And then you proceeded to list a bunch of criteria for what supposedly "being a man" is about, most of which include disparagement of women, perceived femininity, and men who enjoy the company of many women.

I see a lot of value in International Men's Day because I believe that men, like women, have many issues that necessitate awareness-raising and attention, but I don't think that tackling and talking about men's issues requires pitting either gender against the other or putting down women, femininity, or men who enjoy women's company. This whole "gender war" stuff strikes me as an especially malignant phenomenon largely rooted in online vitriol and demagoguery from grifters who, implicitly or explicitly, act like addressing either gender's issues is a zero-sum game that necessitates disparaging people of the other gender or minimizing their issues.

The issue is that they are destroying masculinity. Especially male children are under attack by trash hollywood and other western media , porn , feminizing food, environmental endocrine disruptors. Ever wondered why endocrine disruptors are always feminizing but there isn't an endocrine disruptor which is masculinizing? Why they try to reduce meat and fat (cholesterol) which is required for testosterone? Why in hollywood movies it is always the men showed as weak, beaten by women? It is proven that since 1980s men's testosterone levels dropped by %1 every year. There is a war on masculinity and feminists are loving it.

Unlike women, men doesn't get any support so today I wanted to give some encouragement to my brothers. I knew I would get hate. Protect yourself and your male children. Our time will come again. It has already began, the USA has chosen.

 

[Mock Turtle]

 

[X_Y]

Ron Swanson - Real Man

Haha he is a great role model. He is doing a carnivore diet like me but he became a carnivore before it was cool.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The issue is that they are destroying masculinity. Especially male children are under attack by trash hollywood and other western media , porn , feminizing food, environmental endocrine disruptors. Ever wondered why endocrine disruptors are always feminizing but there isn't an endocrine disruptor which is masculinizing? Why they try to reduce meat and fat (cholesterol) which is required for testosterone? Why in hollywood movies it is always the men showed as weak, beaten by women? It is proven that since 1980s men's testosterone levels dropped by %1 every year. There is a war on masculinity and feminists are loving it.

Unlike women, men doesn't get any support so today I wanted to give some encouragement to my brothers. I knew I would get hate. Protect yourself and your male children. Our time will come again. It has already began, the USA has chosen.

That sounds similar to white supremacist garbage.

Why they try to reduce meat and fat (cholesterol) which is required for testosterone?

Gee, could it be that meat consumption from farmed meat is unsustainable, a high HDL actually is bad for the cardiovascular system and elevates the risk of heaet disease, amd there are vegetarians for more manly than you are.
As for that video? There isn't a damn thing a random misogynist, over opinionated wanker on Youtube can teach me that real experts and life hasn't.
Real men don't disparage others, they don't spread hateful lies and they don't cry and whine about fantasy problems.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This. I have been seen as both a man and a woman. It all depends who it is viewing me if they think I am a man or woman prior to knowing I'm nonbinary if I choose to mention it.

Both men and women are harmed by a lot of issues. For example many daycares around here don't hire males. Why? Because it's assumed only women should care for children and men are less capable. This view also harms women as it comes from the idea women should stay at home with children not work and if they do work then they should only care for another's children. Caring for children according to some is all women want and are good for. The view hurts men who are affectionate and like working with kids do a great job but are seen as less capable of helping with kids.

Yeah, that's very problematic in divorce where men tend to shafted when it comes to custody of his kids.

 

[Quagmire]

We , mankind , have created this civilization

Oops.

 

[Heyo]

I congratulate all Men for being the superhumans of this world. We , mankind , have created this civilization. Almost all of the art, science, technology and spirituality is created by us. Everything finds it's highest expression in Men.

Also, men have started wars, real and figuratively, men are vastly overrepresented in prisons and among the unhoused, men have higher rates of suicide, cardiovascular disease, and are shorter lived.
In short, men are more extreme than women. They are exceptional in winning and failing.

Even though now women have more social rights and more advantaged then us we continue to rock. For example almost all Nobel prizes are taken by us, creators of Chatgpt are all men.

In an interview Trump said masculinity is under attack and I agree.

I don't. Toxic masculinity is under attack. And toxic men aren't "real" men, in my view. They should grow a spine and some balls. I've never felt threatened by strong women, in fact, I love women who can hold a candle to me. If you aren't weak, you don't have to worry about strong competition.

They are trying to make us feel inferior and make us feel ashamed. Never be ashamed to be a Man, we are the creators and destroyers, we are the great and the terrible.

If you are terrible and a destroyer, you should feel ashamed.

Edit: I won't reply to any hate messages. I don't want to waste my time and energy.

 

[X_Y]

That sounds similar to white supremacist garbage.


Gee, could it be that meat consumption from farmed meat is unsustainable, a high HDL actually is bad for the cardiovascular system and elevates the risk of heaet disease, amd there are vegetarians for more manly than you are.
As for that video? There isn't a damn thing a random misogynist, over opinionated wanker on Youtube can teach me that real experts and life hasn't.
Real men don't disparage others, they don't spread hateful lies and they don't cry and whine about fantasy problems.

Also, men have started wars, real and figuratively, men are vastly overrepresented in prisons and among the unhoused, men have higher rates of suicide, cardiovascular disease, and are shorter lived.
In short, men are more extreme than women. They are exceptional in winning and failing.

I don't. Toxic masculinity is under attack. And toxic men aren't "real" men, in my view. They should grow a spine and some balls. I've never felt threatened by strong women, in fact, I love women who can hold a candle to me. If you aren't weak, you don't have to worry about strong competition.

If you are terrible and a destroyer, you should feel ashamed.

This is my last response to this thread as I don't have time to deal with ignorance and feminisim. Toxic masculinity means high testosterone traits and you know you don't have the balls to deal with high T men. That's why you try to degrade masculine traits because you are afraid of it.

I only serve myself and my needs. I don't provide anything to women. I am doing a carnivore diet, working out, hating hollywood and western media, listening to death metal etc you get the idea. I know you will think that I am some kind of a criminal or outcast based on your brainwashing by the trash western media but I am also a successful and high functioning person. I don't care in the slightest what feminists and feminist white knights think of me and I don't feel guilty for not sharing your feminine values. I am proud to be a "toxic masculine" and you cannot do anything about it so get over with it.

You try to force your feminine values to everyone and call names, try to demonize/criminialize who don't share your lifestyle but your time is over. Great men like Donald Trump and Elon Musk will give you your answers in due time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't care in the slightest

You clearly do, and by a lot.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you aren't weak, you don't have to worry about strong competition.

Yup. The strong and secure have nothing to fear. A real man is at least of strong character and isn't bothered by such things.

If you are terrible and a destroyer, you should feel ashamed.

Yup. Nothing good about being those things.