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Harris mentions democracy as the biggest national security threat.

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Kamala Harris says democracy biggest national security threat

Sometimes all it takes is a Freudian slip to tell what the person really thinks deep down.

Democrats hate democracy deep down with a sitting 'vice' president confirming this by a slip of the tongue.

I think its telling.

Agree or disagree?

Yeah, as a functional Democrat I hate all other humans, which are not like me and I want in the end to kill them all.
Do you feel better now? ;) :D
 

Samael_Khan

Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
Kamala Harris says democracy biggest national security threat

Sometimes all it takes is a Freudian slip to tell what the person really thinks deep down.

Democrats hate democracy deep down with a sitting 'vice' president confirming this by a slip of the tongue.

I think its telling.

Agree or disagree?

Umm.... you should take the context of someones body of speech rather than one clip out of a whole interview. We all slip in our speech so it would be unfair to hyper focus on one phrase. What was the whole context of the interview?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Kamala Harris says democracy biggest national security threat

Sometimes all it takes is a Freudian slip to tell what the person really thinks deep down.

Democrats hate democracy deep down with a sitting 'vice' president confirming this by a slip of the tongue.

I think its telling.

Agree or disagree?

The title of the article is misleading and intentionally quote-mines Harris' words in isolation of the context. Here's the point she actually made:

Vice President Kamala Harris on Sunday said the threat to American democracy from anti-democratic movements is one of the biggest national security challenges confronting the United States today.

Speaking during a year-end interview on CBS News’ Face the Nation, Ms Harris was asked by host Margaret Brennan what the threat is that most “worries” her and “keeps [her] up at night”.

The vice president responded: “Frankly, one of them is our democracy”.

“I think there's so much about foreign and domestic policy that … was guided and prioritized based on Sept 11, 2001. And we are embarking on a new era where the threats to our nation take many forms, including the threat of autocracies taking over and having outsized influence around the world,” Ms Harris said.

Kamala Harris says the threat to US democracy keeps her up at night

After the January 6 insurrection attempt and Trump's baseless claims of election fraud, I agree that American democracy seems to be at risk.

I'm not a fan of Kamala Harris, but people should at least criticize her actual words instead of taking them out of context for dramatic effect.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Kamala Harris says democracy biggest national security threat

Sometimes all it takes is a Freudian slip to tell what the person really thinks deep down.

Democrats hate democracy deep down with a sitting 'vice' president confirming this by a slip of the tongue.

I think its telling.

Agree or disagree?

The idea is that we face threats to democracy:

"Including the threat of autocracies taking over and having outsized influence around the world..."

That was in the article. ;)
 

PureX

Veteran Member
The republican party is currently the biggest threat to democracy in the U.S., but nice try.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Kamala Harris says democracy biggest national security threat

Sometimes all it takes is a Freudian slip to tell what the person really thinks deep down.

Democrats hate democracy deep down with a sitting 'vice' president confirming this by a slip of the tongue.

I think its telling.

Agree or disagree?
How hysterical and stupid. It's perfectly obvious what she meant, just from reading the rest of the article, viz. that there is a threat to democracy, in the US and around the world.

Do you really believe Democrats "hate democracy"? On what evidence?

Or is it just that you find it expedient to play along with - and do your bit to promote - the false equivalences thrown out by the far right to make their own, real, attacks on US democracy (as epitomised by Trump's Big Lie) seem somehow "normal"?.
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The Republican agenda has always been anti-democracy. They seek to separate the people's will from legislation, and promote the interests of corporate donors above those of the common folk. It's the Democrats that promote the interests of the people, as countless surveys have revealed.
The Democrats are more democratic than the republicans.

The oligarchs don't want to share either power or profit, and it's Republican legislation that's been enabling this.
Google: US as oligarchy.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Democracy is still a threat to the country.
Those voters....just look at the things they've put in office.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
That remains to be seen.
What aren't you seeing, yet? They are and have been working diligently to stop people from voting. They are and have been aggressively gerrymandering to control the outcomes of elections in their favor. They are and have been deliberately appointing biased judges at the local, state and federal level to gain favorable verdicts to themselves. They threaten and punish any republican politician that does not go along with and support the party dictates. They have blocked every attempt to investigate an attempted coup. What else do they have to do before you are finally going to be able to see them for what they are???
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
What aren't you seeing, yet? They are and have been working diligently to stop people from voting. They are and have been aggressively gerrymandering to control the outcomes of elections in their favor. They are and have been deliberately appointing biased judges at the local, state and federal level to gain favorable verdicts to themselves. They threaten and punish any republican politician that does not go along with and support the party dictates. They have blocked every attempt to investigate an attempted coup. What else do they have to do before you are finally going to be able to see them for what they are???
Right, the DOJ has sued Texas for extreme gerrymandering it is so bad. I wonder if conservatives like Twilight Hue just aren't aware of these news stories because they are censored from right wing media.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Right, the DOJ has sued Texas for extreme gerrymandering it is so bad. I wonder if conservatives like Twilight Hue just aren't aware of these news stories because they are censored from right wing media.
That is very charitable of you.;)
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He came here with an article that he hoped would make Harris look worse, when it should have been obvious that it would elicit the kind of negative response that it did - exactly the opposite of the intended effect.

I point this out to the people who start threads to promote a religious belief and end up making themselves and their religion look worse. They come to unbelievers skilled in critical thinking, who disagree with their conclusions about gods. They demonstrate poor reasoning skills and poor judgment, and effectively reconfirm in the minds of those who do think critically and who have come to different conclusions so doing that they made the correct choice not following in the footsteps of the person who concluded differently.

This is the same. Somebody presents something intended to make others agree who presently disagree, and unwittingly accomplishes the opposite, although I doubt that it is possible for me to disagree more than I did already with mainstream American conservative opinion before visiting this thread.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
Kamala Harris says democracy biggest national security threat

Sometimes all it takes is a Freudian slip to tell what the person really thinks deep down.

Democrats hate democracy deep down with a sitting 'vice' president confirming this by a slip of the tongue.

I think its telling.

Agree or disagree?

I don't put much value in Freudian slips.

But it is true that many Democrats have taken aim at the voting system, not just Harris. She's only repeating the talking point of other Democrats, who are opposed to election integrity reforms seen in Republican controlled states. In particular, Democrats have been opposing voter ID and opposing the idea that voting is a right of citizens of the United States. For example, recently in New York City, Democrats have passed legislation to allow non-citizens to vote in local elections. But the reason that Democrats are freshly pushing the issue is that they have a bill going through Congress to exert more Federal control over elections.

It's a serious issue.
IMO, if you are opposed to Voter ID and are trying to get non-citizens to vote after a year of record illegal immigration that you are the cause of, then you have to be called out on it.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
He came here with an article that he hoped would make Harris look worse, when it should have been obvious that it would elicit the kind of negative response that it did - exactly the opposite of the intended effect.

I point this out to the people who start threads to promote a religious belief and end up making themselves and their religion look worse. They come to unbelievers skilled in critical thinking, who disagree with their conclusions about gods. They demonstrate poor reasoning skills and poor judgment, and effectively reconfirm in the minds of those who do think critically and who have come to different conclusions so doing that they made the correct choice not following in the footsteps of the person who concluded differently.

This is the same. Somebody presents something intended to make others agree who presently disagree, and unwittingly accomplishes the opposite, although I doubt that it is possible for me to disagree more than I did already with mainstream American conservative opinion before visiting this thread.
Yes it's just a really stupid headline, intended to produce a talking point for the far-right bubble, but with nothing behind it.

I've noticed how they have really got it in for Kamala Harris. No doubt it is because she is a black and a woman. Gotta keep those white supremacist fellow travellers on-side, after all.

But the false equivalence gambit is a favourite. We'll be seeing a lot more of this, to draw fire from the tampering with democracy that is going on all over the country.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yes it's just a really stupid headline, intended to produce a talking point for the far-right bubble, but with nothing behind it.

I've noticed how they have really got it in for Kamala Harris. No doubt it is because she is a black and a woman. Gotta keep those white supremacist fellow travellers on-side, after all.

But the false equivalence gambit is a favourite. We'll be seeing a lot more of this, to draw fire from the tampering with democracy that is going on all over the country.
Everything is racism to you.

There is nothing about race in the entire article.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't put much value in Freudian slips.

But it is true that many Democrats have taken aim at the voting system, not just Harris. She's only repeating the talking point of other Democrats, who are opposed to election integrity reforms seen in Republican controlled states. In particular, Democrats have been opposing voter ID and opposing the idea that voting is a right of citizens of the United States. For example, recently in New York City, Democrats have passed legislation to allow non-citizens to vote in local elections. But the reason that Democrats are freshly pushing the issue is that they have a bill going through Congress to exert more Federal control over elections.
Polls show that the general public overwhelmingly supports liberal policies. They even support most Democratic policies.
The Republicans are aware of this, and use every means available to misrepresent Democratic policies, misrepresent the Democratic agenda, and prevent potential Democrats from voting.

Republicans are not interested in democracy, or fair elections. They want to ban ballot drop boxes, rescind no-excuse absentee voting, slash early voting, bar election officials from sending out absentee ballot applications and narrow the forms of ID that people may present to vote, ruling out military IDs, bills and paychecks. With only monied and corporate interests backing them, suppressing democracy is he only way they can win.
It's a serious issue.
IMO, if you are opposed to Voter ID and are trying to get non-citizens to vote after a year of record illegal immigration that you are the cause of, then you have to be called out on it.
Voter fraud is a manufactured "problem," created and promoted by the Republicans to create support for voter suppression -- which is the real problem.
There is no statistically significant voter fraud. Voter suppression, on the other hand, is massive.
 
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