Harsh Truth: If Intelligent Design is Untestable . . .

[ImmortalFlame]

You don't understand the category of the creator, and you only half understand the creation category.

So then "emotion", to what category does it belong? It belongs to the creator category, because emotion is referred to as what makes a decision turn out the way it does (the motivation of a decision). And because it belongs to the creator category, it means the existence of emotions is a matter of opinion.

Looks like it's time once again for the "make stuff up with Mohammad show!" Always entertaining.

Emotion is NOT what makes a decision turn out the way it does. Emotion is defined as a reaction TO something. If I bet on a horse at the races and lose, I will feel sad, but my sadness played absolutely no role in determining my bet, the placement of the horse, or even necessarily what comes afterwards. My bet was motivated by a multitude of factors, including desire, competitiveness, greed and impulsiveness. Defining emotion as being is some "creator category" that you just made up is completely arbitrary. You might as well say it is a category of fine wine.

The sun, to what category does it belong to? You can see the sun, which means it is a fact that it exists, so it belongs to the material category. All in this category are chosen, meaning the sun is chosen to be the way it is, which means it also could have turned out another way, and the sun can turn out several different ways in the future.

So... Much... Wrong.

Firstly, just because you can see something doesn't mean it exists. During a late night excursion after taking a cocktail of drugs, my friend's brother had a close encounter with hundreds of gnomes who would jump out from behind cars and scare him. The gnomes were a hallucination: they were not real.

Secondly, facts are not chosen. By definition, a fact is a fact. You cannot "choose" for the sun to not be in the sky. You can choose not to look at it, or you can choose to ignore it, but you can't "choose for it not to exist". That's not how reality works.

That is how people provide room for subjectivity, expression of emotion, forming an opinion, by having the creator category dedicated to it. While what you do, you only acknowledge the creation category, and this means there is no room provided for expression of emotion, forming an opinion, in your beliefs.

creator
chooses
opinion
spiritual domain

creation
chosen
fact
material domain

More made up nonsense. I can do that too:

creator
nonexistent
fantasy
delusion

creation
presumption
inaccuracy
circular reasoning

Anyone can string random words together and assign arbitrary categories to things. That doesn't mean anything you've said is true or even meaningful. You're just making stuff up and not actually saying anything intelligent or meaningful.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Looks like it's time once again for the "make stuff up with Mohammad show!" Always entertaining.

Emotion is NOT what makes a decision turn out the way it does. Emotion is defined as a reaction TO something. If I bet on a horse at the races and lose, I will feel sad, but my sadness played absolutely no role in determining my bet, the placement of the horse, or even necessarily what comes afterwards. My bet was motivated by a multitude of factors, including desire, competitiveness, greed and impulsiveness. Defining emotion as being is some "creator category" that you just made up is completely arbitrary. You might as well say it is a category of fine wine.


So... Much... Wrong.

Firstly, just because you can see something doesn't mean it exists. During a late night excursion after taking a cocktail of drugs, my friend's brother had a close encounter with hundreds of gnomes who would jump out from behind cars and scare him. The gnomes were a hallucination: they were not real.

Secondly, facts are not chosen. By definition, a fact is a fact. You cannot "choose" for the sun to not be in the sky. You can choose not to look at it, or you can choose to ignore it, but you can't "choose for it not to exist". That's not how reality works.


More made up nonsense. I can do that too:

creator
nonexistent
fantasy
delusion

creation
presumption
inaccuracy
circular reasoning

Anyone can string random words together and assign arbitrary categories to things. That doesn't mean anything you've said is true or even meaningful. You're just making stuff up and not actually saying anything intelligent or meaningful.

He's yours now, friend.
I've become rather bored of not having anything to actually intelligent to discuss with him.

Enjoy.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

He's yours now, friend.
I've become rather bored of not having anything to actually intelligent to discuss with him.

Enjoy.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Looks like it's time once again for the "make stuff up with Mohammad show!" Always entertaining.

Emotion is NOT what makes a decision turn out the way it does. Emotion is defined as a reaction TO something. If I bet on a horse at the races and lose, I will feel sad, but my sadness played absolutely no role in determining my bet, the placement of the horse, or even necessarily what comes afterwards. My bet was motivated by a multitude of factors, including desire, competitiveness, greed and impulsiveness. Defining emotion as being is some "creator category" that you just made up is completely arbitrary. You might as well say it is a category of fine wine.


So... Much... Wrong.

Firstly, just because you can see something doesn't mean it exists. During a late night excursion after taking a cocktail of drugs, my friend's brother had a close encounter with hundreds of gnomes who would jump out from behind cars and scare him. The gnomes were a hallucination: they were not real.

Secondly, facts are not chosen. By definition, a fact is a fact. You cannot "choose" for the sun to not be in the sky. You can choose not to look at it, or you can choose to ignore it, but you can't "choose for it not to exist". That's not how reality works.


More made up nonsense. I can do that too:

creator
nonexistent
fantasy
delusion

creation
presumption
inaccuracy
circular reasoning

Anyone can string random words together and assign arbitrary categories to things. That doesn't mean anything you've said is true or even meaningful. You're just making stuff up and not actually saying anything intelligent or meaningful.

It is just pure evil, evolutionary scientists, and evolution biology teachers. It is rejection of subjectivity altogether.

 

[JM2C]

stop lashing out at everyone and at the very least pretend to the better person you claim to be.

This is the rule from the moderator that I just got today.

“Personal attacks, and/or name-calling are strictly prohibited on the forums.”

“Speaking or referring to a member in the third person, ie "calling them out" will also be considered a personal attack.”

“Critique each other's ideas all you want, but under no circumstances personally attack each other or the staff.”

Do you understand this? Do you think cursing is not a personal attack?

It says, “Critique each other's ideas all you want” and that’s what I’ve been doing, criticizing your argument. Did I curse anyone here? NO!

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It is just pure evil, evolutionary scientists, and evolution biology teachers. It is rejection of subjectivity altogether.

Stock Mohammad Nur Syamsu response #0001: No matter what the opponent's argument says, just accuse them of "rejecting subjectivity" and then you can ignore having to actually read it or formulate an intelligent response.

Classic.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It says, “Critique each other's ideas all you want” and that’s what I’ve been doing, criticizing your argument. Did I curse anyone here? NO!

You repeatedly referred to a member of the forum with a racist name, in spite of being repeatedly asked (without any cursing or rude language) to stop in no uncertain terms whatsoever. Stop trying to wriggle out of it and admit your fault already.

 

[JM2C]

You repeatedly referred to a member of the forum with a racist name, in spite of being repeatedly asked (without any cursing or rude language) to stop in no uncertain terms whatsoever. Stop trying to wriggle out of it and admit your fault already.

He cursed me first. What is so hard to understand on that?

READ AND UNDERSTAND THE RULES:

“Personal attacks, and/or name-calling are strictly prohibited on the forums.”

“Speaking or referring to a member in the third person, ie "calling them out" will also be considered a personal attack.”

“Critique each other's ideas all you want, but under no circumstances personally attack each other or the staff.”

 

[ImmortalFlame]

He cursed me first. What is so hard to understand on that?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that that's not even remotely relevant? "He said a rude word to me" is not sufficient justification for repeatedly calling them a racist name in spite of being asked to stop. Do you understand?

READ AND UNDERSTAND THE RULES:

“Personal attacks, and/or name-calling are strictly prohibited on the forums.”

“Speaking or referring to a member in the third person, ie "calling them out" will also be considered a personal attack.”

“Critique each other's ideas all you want, but under no circumstances personally attack each other or the staff.”

If you feel you have been personally attacked, or that anyone else has broken the rules, the correct course of action is to report the offending post and let the moderators deal with it. The correct response is NOT to hurl racist abuse at the person for several posts and ignore any and all attempts to ask you to stop. Do you understand?

You're doing a great job of "turning the other cheek", by the way.

 

[JM2C]

So now you are going to continue using the very behaviour you are whining about others using with everyone?

Rather difficult to take your whining seriously when you yourself are just as guilty of those you accuse.

Whining? Really? You guys are the one who reported me, you forgot that already?

This is what I’ve been doing it this thread, “Critique each other's ideas all you want,”

Do you understand that? You can’t, because you were not debating in thread at all. All you’ve been doing was heckling, throwing cheap shots at me with your one-liner comments. You are not criticizing my posts at all because you can’t instead you resort to this endless distasteful nonsense rhetoric on which you are very good at.

 

[JM2C]

Why is it so hard for you to understand that that's not even remotely relevant? "He said a rude word to me" is not sufficient justification for repeatedly calling them a racist name in spite of being asked to stop. Do you understand?

You need to understand how it all started first before you draw your own conclusion.

It’s like who punched first. If guy #1 punched first and guy #2 threw a punch in response to that, would guy #2 stop punching because guy #1 stop punching? NO! It escalates into multiple punches just from that first punch by guy #1. NOW, think hard and draw a reasonable unbiased conclusion and you’ll find who is right and who is wrong. Do you understand that?

If you feel you have been personally attacked, or that anyone else has broken the rules, the correct course of action is to report the offending post and let the moderators deal with it. The correct response is NOT to hurl racist abuse at the person for several posts and ignore any and all attempts to ask you to stop. Do you understand?

You're doing a great job of "turning the other cheek", by the way.

Who are you to moderate me on what to do and what not to do? Have you ever thought of that? You can’t be a moderator because you only see your own bias interpretation.

I’m within the moderator’s guideline, i.e., “Critique each other's ideas all you want,” and again for the 100 times, AHEM! AHEM! AHEM! That’s what I’ve been doing in this thread, i.e., criticize your arguments. You curse me I will not report you but expect something unpleasant in return.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You need to understand how it all started first before you draw your own conclusion.

It’s like who punched first. If guy #1 punched first and guy #2 threw a punch in response to that, would guy #2 stop punching because guy #1 stop punching? NO! It escalates into multiple punches just from that first punch by guy #1. NOW, think hard and draw a reasonable unbiased conclusion and you’ll find who is right and who is wrong. Do you understand that?

This kind of ridiculous, self-serving logic is absurd. What you are literally saying is akin to "If someone says a rude word to me, I am justified in racially abusing them repeatedly". Even a child knows that this is not even remotely right. The fact that you cannot see that is extremely worrying to me.

Who are you to moderate me on what to do and what not to do? Have you ever thought of that? You can’t be a moderator because you only see your own bias interpretation.

I am not a moderator, nor have I ever claimed to be. I'm simply explaining the forum rules to you, because apparently you think you are above them in spite of trying to use them to justify your racist abuse of other members. I let the moderators determine whether or not something contravenes forum rules, which is why I reported your posts.

I’m within the moderator’s guideline, i.e., “Critique each other's ideas all you want,” and again for the 100 times, AHEM! AHEM! AHEM! That’s what I’ve been doing in this thread, i.e., criticize your arguments. You curse me I will not report you but expect something unpleasant in return.

Again "If you call me a name I am justified in repeatedly racially abusing you" is not a moral position to take. If you believe so much in the forum rules, then the first course of action is to report the offending posts. Not racially abuse the person who offended you.

Why in the name of Jiminy Crickett is that so difficult for you to understand??

 

[JM2C]

If I "curse", then I've cursed.

Don't blame other people if I curse.

It's my Australian side that make me curse, and that often out of sheer frustration. And that because I am too old to change my way, despite the introduction of political correctness.

And I not afraid of losing debates or arguments. That's not why I cursed. I cursed because you have repeatedly twisted my words.

And you have twisted words, way back before we began arguing over genealogy (I am referring to the dinosaur-behemoth). That you falsely accusing me of bragging about royal background, which I never claim I have, is misleading and desperate ploys to bait me, even after I have trying correcting you, and the cursing you have quoted from me, just showed the limited of my frustration and patience.


You want to win argument, then win them without twisting what people say or write. You are getting bad reputation for misrepresenting what other say. And it is just with me; you have done with just about everyone else here you who have opposite views to yours.


You don't see it, do you? You really don't see it that you have twisted other people posts?

Read the rules before you debate. “Critique each other's ideas all you want,” If I don’t agree with you, you call it twisting your words.

This same sort of stupidity and superstition exist among some Christians

Not only was the person or people who wrote Genesis was stupid and superstitious, he think that God was like human, also suggest that he had big fat ego.

That same stupid ignorance, come from the John's Logos.

I was talking of tyrannosaurus being meat-eaters, not Job's stupid behemoth;

Then God is an idiot, if he did exist.

and the last one is this

You're an arrogant b#$@@@@, are you?!

“and the cursing you have quoted from me, just showed the limited of my frustration and patience.” that I’ve endured from you.

 

[gnostic]

This is the rule from the moderator that I just got today.

“Personal attacks, and/or name-calling are strictly prohibited on the forums.”

“Speaking or referring to a member in the third person, ie "calling them out" will also be considered a personal attack.”

“Critique each other's ideas all you want, but under no circumstances personally attack each other or the staff.”

Do you understand this? Do you think cursing is not a personal attack?

It says, “Critique each other's ideas all you want” and that’s what I’ve been doing, criticizing your argument. Did I curse anyone here? NO!

It is done, JM2C. You really should drop it now, move pass it.

There is no sense in complaining that you have been unfairly treated by any moderator, because I got the same warning from a moderator, about personal attacks.

I did not report you, but I did warn you not to use racist insult, however, you repeated in your next reply to me. You were reported, but not by me.

Put it behind you.

But if you truly want civil debates, then don't twist my words.

 

[JM2C]

This kind of ridiculous, self-serving logic is absurd. What you are literally saying is akin to "If someone says a rude word to me, I am justified in racially abusing them repeatedly". Even a child knows that this is not even remotely right. The fact that you cannot see that is extremely worrying to me.

This same sort of stupidity and superstition exist among some Christians

What do you think of this or how would you classify this? Cursing or Racism or both against Christians?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Read the rules before you debate. “Critique each other's ideas all you want,” If I don’t agree with you, you call it twisting your words.











and the last one is this



“and the cursing you have quoted from me, just showed the limited of my frustration and patience.” that I’ve endured from you.

Again, that's all they do, use emotive words to try to manipulate. And using political correctness is part of their manipulation. Nobody in their right mind believes that evolutionists hav any emotional depth, because they reject creationism, and subjectivity is essentially a creationist idea.

 

[gnostic]

You are not thinking straight.

Calling Job, John or God stupid is not a personal attacks on you.

How are they insults to you?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What do you think of this or how would you classify this? Cursing or Racism or both against Christians?

Why do think that's relevant? I've already repeatedly explained that being offended or insulted is not justification for repeatedly racially abusing another member of the forum! It is against forum rules to verbally abuse other posters, and the correct course of action in such cases is to report the offending posts - NOT TO HURL RACIST ABUSE AT THE OFFENDER.

I'll ask one last time before I put you on ignore: Do you understand this??

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Again, that's all they do, use emotive words to try to manipulate. And using political correctness is part of their manipulation. Nobody in their right mind believes that evolutionists hav any emotional depth, because they reject creationism, and subjectivity is essentially a creationist idea.

Demonization is a common tactic of emotionally-driven people with a hidden agenda. It does not reflect well on you.

 

[gnostic]

Christianity is a religion, not a race or ethnic. Christians are not a race.