Harsh Truth: If Intelligent Design is Untestable . . .

[JM2C]

Also, it appears that you're totally unaware of the fact that Bryan was a broken man after the trial, which I do believe was a shame as he truly was a great man.

I did not read anything about Mr. Bryan came out like a “broken man after the trial” except of course H.L.Mencken’s interpretation.

Excerpt on Darrow's examination of Bryan on the 7th Day..

Bryan--The reason I am answering is not for the benefit of the superior court. It is to keep these gentlemen from saying I was afraid to meet them and let them question me, and I want the Christian world to know that any atheist, agnostic, unbeliever, can question me anytime as to my belief in God, and I will answer him.

Darrow--I want to take an exception to this conduct of this witness. He may be very popular down here in the hills....

Bryan—Your honor, they have not asked a question legally and the only reason they have asked any question is for the purpose, as the question about Jonah was asked, for a chance to give this agnostic an opportunity to criticize a believer in the world of God; and I answered the question in order to shut his mouth so that he cannot go out and tell his atheistic friends that I would not answer his questions. That is the only reason, no more reason in the world.

“I answered the question in order to shut his/Darrow’s mouth so that he cannot go out and tell his atheistic friends that I would not answer his questions” Does this sound like a broken man to you?

This is the 5th day:

Hicks-- Mr. Darrow said in his speech not long ago, that evolution is a mystery. Therefore, if expert testimony is full of pitfalls or dangers, or uncertainties in any issue, how much more so must it be in this issue; how much more so must it be in this issue in regard to evolution when Mr. Darrow himself says that evolution is a mystery. So, why admit these experts? Why admit them? It is not necessary. Why admit them? They invade the province of the jury....

If they want to make a school down here in Tennessee to educate our poor ignorant people, let them establish a school out here; let them bring down their experts. The people of Tennesee do not object to that, but we do object to them making a school house or a teachers' institute out of this court. Such procedure in Tennessee is unknown.

The verdict:

Darrow--May I say a word?
The Court--Colonel, be glad to hear from you.
Darrow--I want to say a word. I want to say in thorough sincerity that I appreciate the courtesy of the counsel on the other side from the beginning of this case, at least the Tennessee counsel, that I appreciated the hospitality of the citizens here. I shall go away with a feeling of respect and gratitude toward them for their courtesy and their liberality toward us persons; and that I appreciate the kind, and I think I may say, general treatment of this court, who might have sent me to jail, but did not. (Laughter in the courtroom.)
Darrow (Continuing)--And on the side of the controversy between the court and my self I have already ruled that the court was right, so I do not need to go further.

 

[JM2C]

You did at least imply it when you said:

The problem I had with jm2c's interpretation to the behemoth is that he had earlier (in his early posts) stated that it was a t-rex.

Imply is different from explicitly stating that it was a T-rex. I’ll get back to you about the xenocryst.

 

[metis]

I did not read anything about Mr. Bryan came out like a “broken man after the trial” except of course H.L.Mencken’s interpretation.

Excerpt on Darrow's examination of Bryan on the 7th Day..

Bryan--The reason I am answering is not for the benefit of the superior court. It is to keep these gentlemen from saying I was afraid to meet them and let them question me, and I want the Christian world to know that any atheist, agnostic, unbeliever, can question me anytime as to my belief in God, and I will answer him.

Darrow--I want to take an exception to this conduct of this witness. He may be very popular down here in the hills....

Bryan—Your honor, they have not asked a question legally and the only reason they have asked any question is for the purpose, as the question about Jonah was asked, for a chance to give this agnostic an opportunity to criticize a believer in the world of God; and I answered the question in order to shut his mouth so that he cannot go out and tell his atheistic friends that I would not answer his questions. That is the only reason, no more reason in the world.

“I answered the question in order to shut his/Darrow’s mouth so that he cannot go out and tell his atheistic friends that I would not answer his questions” Does this sound like a broken man to you?

This is the 5th day:

Hicks-- Mr. Darrow said in his speech not long ago, that evolution is a mystery. Therefore, if expert testimony is full of pitfalls or dangers, or uncertainties in any issue, how much more so must it be in this issue; how much more so must it be in this issue in regard to evolution when Mr. Darrow himself says that evolution is a mystery. So, why admit these experts? Why admit them? It is not necessary. Why admit them? They invade the province of the jury....

If they want to make a school down here in Tennessee to educate our poor ignorant people, let them establish a school out here; let them bring down their experts. The people of Tennesee do not object to that, but we do object to them making a school house or a teachers' institute out of this court. Such procedure in Tennessee is unknown.

The verdict:

Darrow--May I say a word?
The Court--Colonel, be glad to hear from you.
Darrow--I want to say a word. I want to say in thorough sincerity that I appreciate the courtesy of the counsel on the other side from the beginning of this case, at least the Tennessee counsel, that I appreciated the hospitality of the citizens here. I shall go away with a feeling of respect and gratitude toward them for their courtesy and their liberality toward us persons; and that I appreciate the kind, and I think I may say, general treatment of this court, who might have sent me to jail, but did not. (Laughter in the courtroom.)
Darrow (Continuing)--And on the side of the controversy between the court and my self I have already ruled that the court was right, so I do not need to go further.

Just a brief statement:

The Scopes trial was a victory for Bryan and his supporters, but he had been devastated by Darrow. -- http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/William_Jennings_Bryan.aspx

 

[JM2C]

I read the transcripts myself and drew my own conclusions. Second-hand information always need to be checked because all too often what one gets is bias.

On the 7th day Mr. Darrow asked the court to remove a sign that says “Read Your Bible”.

Darrow--Let me say something. Your honor, I just want to make this suggestion. Mr. Bryan says that the Bible and evolution conflict. Well, I do not know, I am for evolution, anyway. We might agree to get up a sign of equal size on the other side and in the same position reading, "Hunter's Biology," or "Read your evolution."

Mr. Barrow wants you to read Hunter’s Biology. What is Hunter’s Biology?

George William Hunter wrote Civic Biology, the text at the center of the Scopes "monkey" trial.[1][2] InCivic Biology, Hunter advocated both eugenics and segregation.

"The Remedy. - If such people were lower animals, we would probably kill them off to prevent them from spreading. Humanity will not allow this, but we do have the remedy of separating the sexes in asylums or other places and in various ways preventing intermarriage and the possibilities of perpetuating such a low and degenerate race. Remedies of this sort have been tried successfully in Europe and are now meeting with success in this country."[3] –Wiki.

 

[metis]

On the 7th day Mr. Darrow asked the court to remove a sign that says “Read Your Bible”.

Darrow--Let me say something. Your honor, I just want to make this suggestion. Mr. Bryan says that the Bible and evolution conflict. Well, I do not know, I am for evolution, anyway. We might agree to get up a sign of equal size on the other side and in the same position reading, "Hunter's Biology," or "Read your evolution."

Mr. Barrow wants you to read Hunter’s Biology. What is Hunter’s Biology?

George William Hunter wrote Civic Biology, the text at the center of the Scopes "monkey" trial.[1][2] InCivic Biology, Hunter advocated both eugenics and segregation.

"The Remedy. - If such people were lower animals, we would probably kill them off to prevent them from spreading. Humanity will not allow this, but we do have the remedy of separating the sexes in asylums or other places and in various ways preventing intermarriage and the possibilities of perpetuating such a low and degenerate race. Remedies of this sort have been tried successfully in Europe and are now meeting with success in this country."[3] –Wiki.

What does this have to do with what I wrote?

 

[JM2C]

Just a brief statement:


The Scopes trial was a victory for Bryan and his supporters, but he had been devastated by Darrow.--http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/William_Jennings_Bryan.aspx

Because Mr. Bryan died before his summation? You could read the whole Darrow's examination of Bryan and see it yourself if anything can come out there as a sign that Mr. Bryan was really devastated by Mr. Darrow’s or perhaps the cause of his death. I don’t understand this; a victory for Bryan but devastated by Darrow. If people think that death is some kind punishment then they don’t understand that death is a gift from God, i.e., if you are a Christian of course.

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

 

[JM2C]

What does this have to do with what I wrote?

Simply click the arrow up

 

[metis]

What are you talking about?

 

[JM2C]

What are you talking about?

it all started here

Secondly, to blame "evolutionists" for both eugenics and segregation is rather silly, and if one plays that card then they should also buy into the racism and segregation, including slavery, that most churches had endorsed.

Read Galton’s theory and George William Hunter’s Civic Biology

 

[metis]

it all started here

Read Galton’s theory and George William Hunter’s Civic Biology

I have no idea where you're supposedly going with this, and I skimmed the Wiki article. So?

 

[JM2C]

It was initiated by ACLU to challenge the Butler Act but they lost and the law remained on the books until 1967..

I'm not only aware of that, I taught it in my basic anthropology course.

ACLU, Butler Act and Anthropology? Can you explain please

 

[metis]

ACLU, Butler Act and Anthropology? Can you explain please

What's there to explain? What are you supposedly looking for? What's your point? I'm lost as I have no idea what you want me to actually respond to.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

ACLU, Butler Act and Anthropology? Can you explain please

what is ACLU in this context. There are several things that pop up on google. The butler act banned the teaching of evolution. And I don't know what it is that you are proposing that we look into or get from anthropology in this context.

 

[JM2C]

It was initiated by ACLU to challenge the Butler Act but they lost and the law remained on the books until 1967..

I'm not only aware of that, I taught it in my basic anthropology course.

ACLU, Butler Act and Anthropology? Can you explain please?

What's there to explain? What are you supposedly looking for? What's your point? I'm lost as I have no idea what you want me to actually respond to.

You said, “I’m not only aware of that” in reference to ACLU and the Butler Act, and then you said, “I taught it in my basic anthropology course” and I asked, ACLU, Butler Act and Anthropology? Can you explain please? What I meant is, their relation to each other.

 

[JM2C]

what is ACLU in this context. There are several things that pop up on google. The butler act banned the teaching of evolution. And I don't know what it is that you are proposing that we look into or get from anthropology in this context.

I’m not asking you. I’m asking Metis and if you follow or click the arrow up then you will understand it better.

 

[metis]

ACLU, Butler Act and Anthropology? Can you explain please?

You said, “I’m not only aware of that” in reference to ACLU and the Butler Act, and then you said, “I taught it in my basic anthropology course” and I asked, ACLU, Butler Act and Anthropology? Can you explain please? What I meant is, their relation to each other.

Yes, they relate, but I'm with MOR in regards to not knowing what you are looking for? Maybe if you state why you're asking it or what point you're trying to make, it would give me a better sense of direction as far as how to answer.

 

[JM2C]

Mythology on the other hand is illegal in classes so we don't poison our children's minds in science classes..

Are we now connecting everything we are saying here to the Monkey Trial?

“Those who have accepted evolution in the belief that it was not anti-Christian may well revise their conclusions…” —William Jennings Bryan, Menace of Darwinism.

So, taking the bible out from public schools, because it’s “Poisoning our children’s mind”, and replace it with “Evolutions and Eugenics”, as Galton would say, “Eugenics…an orthodox religious tenet of the future” and disguised it as SCIENCE instead of admitting it as a religious act and not in any way an anti-Christian is not POISONING OUR CHILDRENS’ MIND?

If Evolutionists has or had nothing to with Eugenics and Segregation, especially in the Scopes’ trial, where Darwin’s son, Leonard Darwin, president of the Eugenics Education Society at that time, who gave a “letter of support” to Henry Fairfield Osborn [Nebraska Man] and the ACLU who met with John Scopes, in New York, where they concocted the idea of incriminating Scopes [as a scapegoat] so they could attract publicity in Tennessee and around the world to propagate eugenics masquerading as evolutions and evolutions as science or evolutions and eugenics disguising as science, if they have nothing to do with each other, then, why every time I google the words Eugenics and Evolutions I see these network of eugenicists from Darwin’s entire family, Galton, Huxley, Haeckel, Dawson, Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Osborn, John Scopes, Leonard Darwin, Monkey Trial, George William Hunter, all proponents of evolutions and eugenics?

“I take Eugenics very seriously, feeling that its principles ought to become one of the dominant motives in a civilised nation, much as if they were one of its religious tenets.” — Galton, Memoirs

“[Eugenics] has indeed strong claims to become an orthodox religious tenet of the future, for Eugenics co-operates with the workings of nature by securing that humanity shall be represented by the fittest races… The first and main point is to secure the general intellectual acceptance of Eugenics… then let its principles work into the heart of the nation, which will gradually give practical effect to them in ways that we may not wholly forsee.” — Galton, Eugenics, its Definition, Scope, and Aims.

 

[JM2C]

Yes, they relate, but I'm with MOR in regards to not knowing what you are looking for? Maybe if you state why you're asking it or what point you're trying to make, it would give me a better sense of direction as far as how to answer.

As I have said or asked before, can you explain how the ACLU and the Butler Act were taught in Anthropology..

 

[Parsimony]

So, taking the bible out from public schools, because it’s “Poisoning our children’s mind”, and replace it with “Evolutions and Eugenics”, as Galton would say, “Eugenics…an orthodox religious tenet of the future” and disguised it as SCIENCE instead of admitting it as a religious act and not in any way an anti-Christian is not POISONING OUR CHILDRENS’ MIND?

In what schools, exactly, are eugenics promoted?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

In what schools, exactly, are eugenics promoted?

Atheistic China. Eugenics has now become much of the replacement ideology for the largely defunct communism. So we have the prospect of hundreds of millions of evolutionist Chinese marauding through the world in a battle for survival.