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Harun Yahya's evoultion deceit

misanthropic_clown

Active Member
I was just wondering if anyone knew where to find a good critical review of Harun Yahya's book 'The Evolution Deceit'? I know someone at church who has been lauding it. I've downloaded a PDF of it which I plan to plough through, but it would be nice to have a review at hand whilst going through it.

Thanks in advance.
 

Gunfingers

Happiness Incarnate
I'll do a chapter by chapter, as i'm reading it on it's website.

The Real Ideological Root of Terrorism: Darwinism and Materialism

As should come as no surprise, the author doesn't actually understand Evolutionary Theory. The biggest misunderstanding in this chapter is the insistence that it is a philosophical work. He asserts that acceptance of ToE necessarily requires atheism and materialism, and goes on to assert that these philosophies are behind fascism, communism, terrorism and racism. He says that the Abrahamic religions are the religions that "most of the people in the world believe in", which i'm pretty sure isn't accurate, and claims that all three of them are peaceful and fluffy and have never lead to anything bad.

WHY THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION?

Once again, ToE is all about philosophy and some people that he doesn't like accepted it. He also takes a couple quotes from scientific magazines that mention this book (i guess this is a republication) which appear to be lauding the book. He continues to not have figured out that any negative impacts of ToE have nothing to do with its scientific accuracy.

More as i continue to read
 

Gunfingers

Happiness Incarnate
The Greatest Miracle of Our Times: Belief in the Evolution Deceit

This is finally starting to get good. Yayha starts with a very reasonable assertation: he is smarter than 95% of biologists, and understands their field better than they do.
This sequiters into him claiming that abiogenesis is part of evolution and insisting that evolution is supposed to have caused proteins and DNA to form. For those of you that don't know, ToE applies only to genetic evolution. Anything that took place before genetic reproduction, while often similar to ToE, is not explained by that theory.
Next is the old whipping boy: irreducible complexity. He actually brings up the eye, insisting that ToE claims it to have just popped into the skull exactly as is, as though we haven't heard that a million times.
Some people accept this, and apparently they aren't real Muslims.
He then goes on to say that we regard chance as a god and worship it. Or something. That bit didn't make much sense.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I was just wondering if anyone knew where to find a good critical review of Harun Yahya's book 'The Evolution Deceit'? I know someone at church who has been lauding it. I've downloaded a PDF of it which I plan to plough through, but it would be nice to have a review at hand whilst going through it.

Thanks in advance.
I will make a sweeping generalization here and state that anyone who finds this book to be laudable has no real concept of the Theory of Evolution and so their recommendation should be taken with several grains of salt. It is probably better to stick to discussing the weather with such people.
 

Gunfingers

Happiness Incarnate
TO BE FREED FROM PREJUDICE

This one got repetitive and i started skimming towards the end. Basically it boils down to: biologists know that ToE is false but they are lying to themselves and you because they are predisposed to that belief. Where they got that predisposition and why they maintain it almost without exception despite this evidence he claims exists is not addressed.


A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE THEORY

The first assertation is weird enough that i'm just gonna quote it.
"The roots of evolutionist thought go back as far as antiquity as a dogmatic belief attempting to deny the fact of creation. Most of the pagan philosophers in ancient Greece defended the idea of evolution. When we take a look at the history of philosophy we see that the idea of evolution constitutes the backbone of many pagan philosophies. "
I haven't the foggiest idea what to make of that.
Moving on. Did you guys know that most scientists are religious? That they accept basic science while still believing in God? Because it seems that Yahya expects that to surprise me. I guess the impication is supposed to be that Planck and Einstein didn't accept ToE, as the next paragraph claims that it is not science but philosophy. Again.
Remember that thread where Man_Of_Faith claimed that ToE was wrong because the data that confirmed it came after the theory was formed? Well apparently he wasn't the first guy to come up with that idea.
Then comes the old racism thing, as if anyone cares that Darwin was a big fat bigot.
At the very end he mentions the discovery of genetics, the thing that absolutely confirmed evolutionary theory and common descent, and claims that they disproved it because of complexity. He snidely accuses people of "revising, renewing, and elevating the theory", when obviously we should maintain a dogmatic devotion to how Darwin wrote it (which he also accuses us of).

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE THEORY

I dunno if you guys knew this, but Darwin wasn't actually right. Modern discoveries in genetics demonstrated that many of the mechanisms Darwin proposed were inaccurate or incomplete. Since science is an all-or-nothing game we can't simply refine the theory to represent these new discoveries, no we should just throw it out. So says the beginning of this chapter.
Then the lies start.
First is the old "mutations are always bad" thing. Here's a good video on why that is BS.
Next is the tired claim that no transitional fossils have been found. Here's a list of just a few.
It ends with a vast misrepresentation of the "Punctuated Equilibrium" hypothesis. I don't actually know a lot about this hypothesis, but i doubt that it was a desperate attempt to save "darwinism". I certainly doubt that it says anything about reptiles giving birth to birds, and i feel bad for the poor ******* he quote-mined to get that statement.

Also thanks to this chapter i have learned the word "vociferous", which i shall endeavor to use in a sentence before the end of the day. Who says you can't learn anything from YECs?

IMAGINARY MECHANISMS OF EVOLUTION

Evolution cannot create new species, "evolutionists" believe frogs can turn into birds, blah blah blah.
 
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ThereIsNoSpoon

Active Member
I was just wondering if anyone knew where to find a good critical review of Harun Yahya's book 'The Evolution Deceit'? I know someone at church who has been lauding it. I've downloaded a PDF of it which I plan to plough through, but it would be nice to have a review at hand whilst going through it.

Thanks in advance.
Well, i have written one myself some 8 years ago.
But i must admit that it gets pretty bad as i go through the chapters. Its hard to keep an objective tone when reading so much crap.
At around 2000 i wrote some texts about theories concerning the origin of life (includung theistic evolution and creationism). As a byproduct i had to occupy myself with Mr Yahya.
 

Gunfingers

Happiness Incarnate
Mutations

"Mutations are always bad, just look at these few examples of bad mutations." He also claims there was a study done with fruit flies which supposedly failed repeatedly to produce beneficial mutations or a new species. Who conducted this experiment (these experiments?) and when is not mentioned, but eight seconds of googling found an experiment where fruit flies mutate to change their diet. Something about "information" too, which is another nebulous creationist buzzword. See the eight foundational falsehood video linked above if you haven't, as it pertains to this.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Harun Yaya is an imbecile.

Atlas of Creation by Harun Yahya « Forbidden Music

Anyway, here’s his example of a living caddisfly:

yahya_lure.jpg


It’s a fishing lure.

Say no more.

Get your friend to read The Greatest Show on Earth. You might pick up a copy for yourself while you're at it.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Harun Yaya is an imbecile.
Atlas of Creation by Harun Yahya « Forbidden Music



Say no more.

Get your friend to read The Greatest Show on Earth. You might pick up a copy for yourself while you're at it.


Yeah, don't forget to check out the creator's (that is, the guy who made the fishing lures) website, even he acknowledges multiple models of his that were used in Atlas of Creation:

http://www.grahamowengallery.com/fishing/Atlas-of-Creation.html



Apparently that book is massive, and every page is glossy, full-coloured and contains photographs. Now this book was distrubted for free, I wonder who paid for it?

Anyways, Harun Yahya is currently in jail now anyways, so yeah, I wouldn't take him too seriously.
 

Gunfingers

Happiness Incarnate
The Ever-missing Links

This one deals primarily with the Cambrian Explosion, the period when complex life first appeared on earth, and in many forms. He gleefully points out that most of today's phyla came into existence in this fairly brief period, utterly failing to note that humans belong to the same phylum as fish (chordata). He happily points out that trilobites have fairly advanced eyes and overlooks the diversity in their eyes that indicated genetic drift. He also quotes an article from The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in which they discuss changing the classification of a certain clade and presents it as though it were an end to phylogeny.

THE TALE OF TRANSITION FROM WATER TO LAND

Just as the chapter title implies, this chapter focuses primarily on early land animals, specifically chordates. No one ever seems concerned with how annelids ended up on land.
Now, interestingly the previous chapter had a picture of what i think is a tiktaalik.
resim4646.jpg

So i can't help but think he knows about those organisms. Nonetheless he insists that no fish species could have developed legs, the ability to support their weight out of water, or develop lungs. Presumeably because Mr Yahya does not know what an amphibean is.
Also mentioned is the evolution of vertebrates (by which i assume he means chordates), which he says is impossible as invertebrates "have their hard tissues outside their bodies, whereas fish are vertebrates that have theirs on the inside." I'm not sure where he got this impression of non-chordate animals, and i don't care. One word: hagfish.

ORIGIN OF BIRDS AND MAMMALS

Another happily descriptive chapter title, and again enough bunk to build a bed.
Well, kind of. It's actually not that descriptive as it doesn't mention reptiles, but starts there, claiming that they are too different from amphibeans to have come from them, making specific mention of amniotic eggs, and he makes virtually no mention of mammals.
He then goes on to not understand the evolution of wings, claiming that partially formed wings would be useless and makes the super insightful note that avian lungs are different from their ancestral reptilian lungs.
The crown of this chapter, however, is his managing of the archaeopterix. You see, the archaeopterix had claws and teeth like a dinosaur, but flew like a bird. To prove that the archaeopterix was a full fledged bird he points out two existing birds that have claws (one of which doesn't exist according to Google), but according to wikipedia only during childhood. He literally brings up evidence for the evolution of birds.
 
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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
You should check out the goings-on between Harun Yahya and the New Humanist, as covered by PZ Myers

Poor Adnan Oktar. The New Humanist published an exposé, and he and his organization are clearly freaking out. I've been getting several near-hysterical emails a day from the Turkish creationist mouthpiece, Seda Aral, insisting in many different font colors that the accusations are baseless and are a sign that the humanist movement is melting down.

More at the link, and I strongly suggest going there and checking it all out. Very funny!
 
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