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Has anyone used science to "just" disprove the bible?

Tumbleweed41

In the Scientific Method and Process.
Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the
scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.
Scientific Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories - The Scientific Method


If you want to define theory as a fact, then I will work with that then. So that means I do not believe evolution is a theory then, because I do not believe it is a fact. You have fragmented bones, you have DNA, therefore I consider them to be theories (facts) but macro evolution I do not consider to be a theory (that is a fact) I consider it to be a hypotheses.



Everyone stop responding to Jolly so he can concentrate on his new thread with concrete evidence of God.


If everyone stops responding to me on here I will create a new thread with my list of evidences for God’s existence. But I won’t do it while others are responding to me on here, because doing two threads at one time will take up too much of my time.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
But I am going to deal with it more in making another thread. I have a WHOLE list of evidences for the existence of God. And I am going to PROVE my case. But, only after I finish in this thread, which will be when all others stop responding to me in this thread.

Deal.


Everyone stop responding to Jolly so he can concentrate on his new thread with concrete evidence of God.
 
Tumbleweed, i have a quick question for you before i make my other thread. It shows you are a diest on your icon. Why then are you arguing against design? I don't understand?
 

Gabethewiking

Active Member
Tumbleweed41



If you want to define theory as a fact, then I will work with that then. So that means I do not believe evolution is a theory then, because I do not believe it is a fact. You have fragmented bones, you have DNA, therefore I consider them to be theories (facts) but macro evolution I do not consider to be a theory (that is a fact) I consider it to be a hypotheses.



If everyone stops responding to me on here I will create a new thread with my list of evidences for God’s existence. But I won’t do it while others are responding to me on here, because doing two threads at one time will take up too much of my time.


Jolly, tell us what Macro Evolution is.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
No you’re wrong, it is very relevant whether you claim so or not. How about this, you tell me why it’s irrelevant?

I have already. It's without a doubt that (visually) we resemble other primates. It's the genetic part I focus on. It's simply a fact that we are related.

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YouTube - How Big is Your Genome? Strange DNA

or here

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-KfNrtv7I

I am going to tell you why it IS relevant. Differences are relevant because it shows we are different then the apes. I mean that part is obvious. Now why are the similarities not proof we have a common ancestor? This is why, because all living stuff has similarities to them. That does not prove they are related though.



Who, but you is looking for "proof"? I never said proof. We have strong evidence informing us of our bond. Ofcourse we're extremely similar as well as there are some differences. In the multitude of responses and videos given this has been discussed. As far as primates...my money is on us being more similar (visually and genetically) than we are different. What I find so interesting is that you don't apply these same objections to DNA mapping/sequencing when in the cases of paternity. We actually go above and beyond showing evidence of mans relationship to primates but use less effort to show strong evidence that a child (A) is related to parents (B and C).

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YouTube - Cassiopeia Project - Facts Of Evolution Chapter 1


People can build a table out of wood, they can also build a house out of wood, does that make the table and the house related? No. Yea they are made up of the same stuff (wood) but they are vastly different in structure and purpose.

Uh oh..! I smell a strawman argument.

You’re trying to say that similar biological stuff in us and chimps proves a common ancestor, NO IT DON’T. You have to ASSUME that similar stuff PROVES common ancestor.

No, I'm not trying to "prove" anything. I'm simply displaying the evidence. You do understand that there is a difference?

Let’s distinguish fact from assumption, or fact from theory.


You almost had my attention but sadly you FAIL. In the scientific community a theory is considered a fact.

Evolution as theory and fact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I did say I could prove God’s existence, this part is not the proof though, I will get to that part soon enough, but one thing at a time.

Well I don't require evidence or proof of "God" here. If we're simply debating the evidence for or against evolution and common decent then "God" is of little importance here. My argument is for it on a genetic level and minutely on the visual characteristics and similarities in regards to our body (i.e eyes, ears, hands....etc.).

Here is a good article to read in response to the Chromosome 2 issue. This shows that it is not proof of common ancestor. http://swordandshield.biz/Human-Chromosome-II-A.pdf

Oh my...! You have to do a little better than this. This doesn't even compare as a valid response to the video I presented previously.

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeffrey D. Mason is an honor role graduate from the Atwood Institute for Research and Education in Phoenix, Arizona, (1991) and honor role graduate from The American Institute of Health Technology in Boise, Idaho (2000). He is also a Master Medical herbalist and has taught and lectured on the subjects of alternative health on and off for more than 20 years. He has been a professional fellow of the following scientific associations: The National Association for (Transpersonal Psychology (1991-1993)), The American Board of Hypnotherapy (1999-2001), The International Association of Counselors and Therapists (1998-2000) He has been published in numerous newspapers, magazines and periodicals in the course of his career including The Advocate, The Kelso Tribune, The Boise Statesmen, Couer Magazine, Hedra Megazine, Unlimited Human Magazine, and has been feature interviewed on KBCI Channel 2 news affiliate of CBS Broadcasting network in Boise Idaho; and in the Idaho Statesman, Idaho’s larges Newspaper and the Boise Weekly. Jeff Mason is also the author of The Vine Rhyme Herbal, a book on folkloric and medicinal uses of plants."[/FONT]

(emphasis of transpersonal and its hyperlink is mine)

He pieced his work together by citing bits and pieces of other's work. I've checked out some of the others and they go into way more detail FOR common decent. He structured his paper together to fit his preconceived notions. Don't believe me? Look at his "credentials". He misrepresents himself as though he is actually qualified to address and refute the ToE but he's not.
 
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I'm going to take a rain check on this thread, i am going to work on the other one i made. I will get back to this one another time. But don't mistake that for giving up on this one. It's just i have to make a choice to do one thread at a time. I only have so much time and have to organize it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Dawkins contradicts himself, first he says he doesn’t know how it started, and then he says he knows how it started by saying it was a self replicating molecule. So which is it, he knows or don’t know?
They don't know how it exactly got started. They have very good, very educated estimates, that are based on credible science, but in all reality, there is quite abit of science that is well accepted, but it only exist, to our better knowledge, on paper. Superstring theory, for example, is a theory that a massive amount of science is based on, but the theory itself only exist on paper, and it looks like everyone from Einstein to Hawkings might be wrong about gravity. But we have so many advances on these "just theories," that so much is based on these theories that even if they are wrong, the concepts they brought about are still functioning quite well.

Notice what Dawkins said, you highlighted it yourself. “You might find a signature of some sort of designer” and “I suppose it’s possible that you might find EVIDENCE for that” and “and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet.” Those three sections are an acknowledgement that there is evidence, but that he disagrees with that evidence at the present time. But even if he agreed with it, then that designer would have evolved is what he is saying.

Call me a liar all you want, his words speak for themselves.
From that passage, it sounds more like Dawkins suggests you might find that an alien race designed us. IA! IA! Cthulhu F'htagn! By that statement, I have just as much right to suppose the Great Old Ones designed us, just as much as you can thing God. Again, he merely suggested you might find evidence.
 

Arlanbb

Active Member
Jollybear [COLOR=black said:
I believe that the bible is ALL true and its authors are ALL honest. [/COLOR]

Jollybear ~ You say that the bible is ALL true and authors are ALL honest.

There is a prophy in Ezekiel 26 about the city of TYRE which today is in Lebanon. The bible says this about TYRE:
Nebuchadnezzar will lay siege to the walled city, which he did for 13 years, and he would slay with his sward your daughters on the main land, which he never did because Tyre stood firm, and with his axes wil break down your towers, which he NEVER DID, the hoofs of his horses will trample all the streets, which he NEVER DID, he will slay your prople with the sward, and your mighty pillars will fall to the ground, this NEVER happened by Nebuchadnezzar, you will not be in habited, people are living there today, you shall be no more...you will never be found again says the Lord God.
The town of Tyre has been inhabited most of the time from the time of Nebuchadnezzar up to today. It has a thriving turist trade and according to www.middleeast.com/tyre.htm is the fourth largest city in Lebanon.

The Hebrew God said it SHALL BE NO MORE... IT WILL NEVER BE FOUND AGAIN. For some reason it never got lost. How do you explain this contradiction when God said it will be no more and people are still living in it to this day? Looking for your answer.:yes:
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
How about these classic gems?

Leviticus 11:13-21
And these [are they which] ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,..........................................................

And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

All fowls that creep, going upon [all] four, [shall be] an abomination unto you.

Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon [all] four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;

Ok.....So right from the start there are a couple of things wrong. Bats are not Fowl (birds), Birds do not have four feet or walk upon all fours. Nor do we find flying creatures with four legs.

Has Science shown through testable evidence that the bible is incorrect? Yes...Yes it has....

Now can we put this thread to rest...?
 
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Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Anyone know of any scientist(s) peer reviewed that made it their purpose to disprove the things of the bible, and that was their primary concern in life in regard to science?

Science just explores the natural world and reports what it finds. If facts as we know them, refute biblical claims, then that is just an effect of knowledge versus mythology.
 
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