Has GOP/US right gone as mad as it seems?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

pop·u·list
/ˈpäpyələst/

noun

1. a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
   "he ran as a populist on an anticorruption platform"

adjective

1. relating to or characteristic of a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
   "party leaders plan to reprise the populist rhetoric that they used in the tax fight"

...Why would anyone be afraid of populism? Populism seems fantastic to me, according to the above definition.

Well, I'd point out a couple of things about "ordinary people," then see if you still think it seems fantastic:

• Not everybody is equally intelligent, nor equally educated, nor as well-versed in areas such as the sciences, economics, international policy, sociology, and a whole lot more. In fact, when you talk about "ordinary people," they are, pretty generally, not really very well-informed in a lot of those areas.
• Have you ever seen what "ordinary people" do when they get into a crowd? Ever noticed how so many of them who would ordinarily never want to hurt anyone can get pumped up enough to riot and kill?
• There are times -- often many times -- when the difficulties we face, or the challenges we must try to meet, require leadership. Caving in to the "desires of ordinary people" is the very antithesis of leadership. "Hey, fellow lemmings, the polls say we should run that way over the cliff ... let's go!"
• The tyranny of the majority (or tyranny of the masses) is an inherent weakness to majority rule in which the majority of an electorate pursues exclusively its own objectives at the expense of those of the minority factions. This results in oppression of minority groups comparable to that of a tyrant or a despot, argued John Stuart Mill in his 1859 book On Liberty.

 

[Lyndon]

Crazy is as crazy says, if you talk sense people will listen.

 

[Wrangler]

Although some individuals may struggle with LRD

LRD?

 

[Cooky]

You do more than tap dance.

I'm actually a pretty good tap dancer. I took lessons growing up.

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I refuted it with information from three different sources. One of them referenced a poll. That directly refutes your claim that there are no "surveys" showing MAGAs are racist.

Care to address the rebuttals or will you try another dance?

The polls used trickery, instead of flat-out asking the question in direct format. Questions like: "are white people ever thr victim of racism", where a "yes" answer equals racism.

....Why not ask the question directly, were they afraid the results wouldn't confirm their bias? So then they used something else to make the numbers more favorable, and just called it racist.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's the big lie. Massive fraud in 2020 election. No question. I saw it with my own eyes.

Somehow I doubt you saw this.
And let's not forget even Barr said there is no evidence to support Trump's outlandish claims.

demi-god Founding Father's via 1A.

It's not good to hold them up that high. They wouldn't have liked it.

 

[Cooky]

Well, I'd point out a couple of things about "ordinary people," then see if you still think it seems fantastic:

• Not everybody is equally intelligent, nor equally educated, nor as well-versed in areas such as the sciences, economics, international policy, sociology, and a whole lot more. In fact, when you talk about "ordinary people," they are, pretty generally, not really very well-informed in a lot of those areas.
• Have you ever seen what "ordinary people" do when they get into a crowd? Ever noticed how so many of them who would ordinarily never want to hurt anyone can get pumped up enough to riot and kill?
• There are times -- often many times -- when the difficulties we face, or the challenges we must try to meet, require leadership. Caving in to the "desires of ordinary people" is the very antithesis of leadership. "Hey, fellow lemmings, the polls say we should run that way over the cliff ... let's go!"
• The tyranny of the majority (or tyranny of the masses) is an inherent weakness to majority rule in which the majority of an electorate pursues exclusively its own objectives at the expense of those of the minority factions. This results in oppression of minority groups comparable to that of a tyrant or a despot, argued John Stuart Mill in his 1859 book On Liberty.

I think most people would disagree with you. Most people value equal rights and prefer to have all opinions respected, equally.

When you have a government that rules in opposition to the will of the people, as a nonpopulist regime does, you violate the notion of equality, and when people feel like their opinions don't matter, it's been theorized recently that economies fail, and corruption takes root. I don’t know why this correlation exists, but leaders in the field have published this discovery recently.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

....Why not ask the question directly,

Because then very few would say yes.
Like, if you ask if people eat healthy, many would probably answer yes. But asking to record a food journal may show us something else entirely different.

 

[Cooky]

Because then very few would say yes.
Like, if you ask if people eat healthy, many would probably answer yes. But asking to record a food journal may show us something else entirely different.

Well why should we believe that the questions they asked are an accurate measurement? It may not be, but if it proves an already confirmed bias, it will sound good enough to be true even if it really isn't.

Personally, I don't believe that agreeing that "whites face a lot of discrimination" makes one a racist against blacks. I think it's a ridiculous assertion.

Yet, that's what they were claiming (paragraphs 6,7):
How Racist Are Republicans? Very.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think most people would disagree with you. Most people value equal rights and prefer to have all opinions respected, equally.

When you have a government that rules in opposition to the will of the people, as a nonpopulist regime does, you violate the notion of equality, and when people feel like their opinions don't matter, it's been theorized recently that economies fail, and corruption takes root. I don’t know why this correlation exists, but leaders in the field have published this discovery recently.

Cookie, I have to tell you something about "the will of the people." It can be -- and far too often is -- manipulated without the people even being remotely aware of it. The charming lynchings of American history is a simple example: most of the people in a lynch mob would not, on their own, really want to hang another human being and turn his wife into a widow and his children into orphans. But they did it -- as part of a lynch mob -- because they were goaded into it.

And thus, in fact, those that goaded the "madding crowd" did in actual fact "rule in opposition to the will of the people" by the simple expedient of making those people think that it was their will -- when it wasn't.

Did you ever wonder how many of them went home, after such an event, and sitting alone over a coffee in the kitchen felt a pretty big pang of guilt? I could find you stories, if you'd like, but you can easily find them yourself. Here's one.

 

[Cooky]

Cookie, I have to tell you something about "the will of the people." It can be -- and far too often is -- manipulated without the people even being remotely aware of it. The charming lynchings of American history is a simple example: most of the people in a lynch mob would not, on their own, really want to hang another human being and turn his wife into a widow and his children into orphans. But they did it -- as part of a lynch mob -- because they were goaded into it.

And thus, in fact, those that goaded the "madding crowd" did in actual fact "rule in opposition to the will of the people" by the simple expedient of making those people think that it was their will -- when it wasn't.

Did you ever wonder how many of them went home, after such an event, and sitting alone over a coffee in the kitchen felt a pretty big pang of guilt? I could find you stories, if you'd like, but you can easily find them yourself. Here's one.

You know someone earlier told me that I'm not just a tap dancer (which is true), but that I do the waltz all over the floor... I'm thinking you also do the waltz..?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You know someone earlier told me that I'm not just a tap dancer (which is true), but that I do the waltz all over the floor... I'm thinking you also do the waltz..?

When my body was young enough to dance, I was mostly waltz and cha cha. Never tap. Fortunately for everybody, I prefer to sit with the wall-flowers now.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The left pretty much leveled and torched Seattle among other numerous cities. I'd say its bout a tie here.

Seattle got "pretty much leveled"? Now you are far worse than those that claimed "'mostly peaceful" while riots were going on.
Some damage, no doubt. Some of it quite expensive. But nowhere close to being leveled.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's the big lie. Massive fraud in 2020 election. No question. I saw it with my own eyes.

Rather than engage in personal attacks, the best thing religious people could do is look at what Trump has done for RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. More than anyone since the demi-god Founding Father's via 1A.

If there was fraud why can't you find any evidence of it? There always are small amounts of fraud, and those were found. Mostly for Trump. And it is very easy to fool the eyes of the ignorant. Just think you found fraud when no one else was able to. That should tell you something.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What I truly, truly cannot understand is why the Republican party seems to be willing to not only put up with, but give a committee seat (Education and Labour) to, Marjorie Taylor Greene.

I mean, good grief, this totally insane woman likes carrying guns into Congress, tries to evade the rules getting into the house through the metal detectors, has called for the killing of the Speaker of the House (CALLED FOR THE KILLING OF -- isn't that some sort of incitement?), has harassed a Parkland shooting survivor and claimed that Sandy Hook was a hoax! And she gets EDUCATION!?!?

Is the right totally, freeking, outright mentally nuts incompetent? Or what, really?

 

[tytlyf]

They're all victims of a coordinated propaganda attack. Just absolutely gone.

 

[Cooky]

They're all victims of a coordinated propaganda attack. Just absolutely gone.

 

[tytlyf]

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Broadcast news has different rules and consequences than Cable news. I don't care about the source, I only care about whether the information being reported is true and verifiable.

That's our difference.

 

[ElishaElijah]

From the outside it looks really bad.

Is it as bad as it looks? Maybe it's just the news media and the social media making it look much worse than it actually is?

What kind of stuff is happening on the right that is good/promising but I'm just not seeing? I'm thinking there must be some positive campaigns/groups with agendas that are benevolent.

The only information you are seeing is one sided because of the biased media and censorship. Citizens of the US are not getting the Truth. Any information contrary to the lies and propaganda of the left is censored. When you have to go to the lengths they’ve gone to completely remove Trump, Obsession to Impeach, threaten witnesses to election fraud, they demanded mail in voting while it was unnecessary, very few people ever quarantined themselves, people continued to go to stores and shopping. The actions after the election are proof of the massive fraud. When you have Truth you never have to threaten and censor people.

 

[Cooky]

Broadcast news has different rules and consequences than Cable news. I don't care about the source, I only care about whether the information being reported is true and verifiable.

That's our difference.

I go even further than that. I research what lead up to events that are true and verifiable, and take an array of related events into consideration before locking myself into an opinion.

 

[Wrangler]

Somehow I doubt you saw this.
And let's not forget even Barr said there is no evidence to support Trump's outlandish claims.

Here is the logic. Barr is a swamp creature who did not look for evidence. Compare the DOJ's response to thousands of eye witnesses provided affidavits of fraud, meh. Nothing to see here. Not ONE agent assigned.

To the claim by a NASCAR driver claims of racist motivated attack. The next day, literally 12 agents were assigned to the case ... wait for it ... TO FIND EVIDENCE.