Has lying reached epidemic proportions?

[Kilgore Trout]

That's a rather simplistic calculation. Clinton was being persecuted for his personal sex life, which is nobody's business, IMO. Nixon was caught breaking federal law to advance his political prospects. I know it's a feather in the GOP's cap to have pulled it off with Clinton, but to must of the world and much of the US, it made the GOP look worse than him. The prospect of ending up in court being vigorously questioned about who you had sex with, and when, and how, is one of the reasons people are not comfortable voting for Republicans.

In France, a politician's popularity rises when he's found out to have a mistress. Not that that should be an ideal to strive for. However, I'd take it over ridiculous, political witch-hunts for private, marital indiscretions any day. I suspect most Americans really don't give a crap about it anyway, unless of course, it applies to their most hated enemies - people of another political party.

 

[Alceste]

In France, a politician's popularity rises when he's found out to have a mistress. Not that that should be an ideal to strive for. However, I'd take it over ridiculous, political witch-hunts for private, marital indiscretions any day. I suspect most Americans really don't give a crap about it anyway, unless of course, it applies to their most hated enemies - people of another political party.

Yeah, the while thing struck me as surreal. I couldn't believe the amount of airtime and public money that was spent trying to figure out EXACTLY what Bill and Monica did together, and where, and when, and with what.

Then again, this is the party that keeps trying to get laws against anal or oral sex passed though, that embraces people who believe homosexuals should be killed, who wants to be sure women who have premarital sex get "punished" with extra healthcare costs or unplanned parenthood...

In short, they're really REALLY interested in what you do with your genitals. That alone is reason enough not to vote for them.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

In short, they're really REALLY interested in what you do with your genitals.

Excessive sexual repression seems to have that effect. Of course, it also seems to have the effect of creating an increased likelihood of pathologically-closeted homosexuality, aggressive misogyny, awkwardness about sexuality in general, and strange sexual predilictions which, when discovered, are blamed on Satan.

 

[Alceste]

Excessive sexual repression seems to have that effect. Of course, it also seems to have the effect of creating an increased likelihood of pathologically-closeted homosexuality, aggressive misogyny, awkwardness about sexuality in general, and strange sexual predilictions which, when discovered, are blamed on Satan.

Wow you just described my brief experience of dating a fundamentalist to a T.

 

[BSM1]

That's a rather simplistic calculation. Clinton was being persecuted for his personal sex life, which is nobody's business, IMO. Nixon was caught breaking federal law to advance his political prospects. I know it's a feather in the GOP's cap to have pulled it off with Clinton, but to must of the world and much of the US, it made the GOP look worse than him. The prospect of ending up in court being vigorously questioned about who you had sex with, and when, and how, is one of the reasons people are not comfortable voting for Republicans.

No, sorry, Clinton's impeachment had absolutely nothing to do with his sex life.

 

[Alceste]

No, sorry, Clinton's impeachment had absolutely nothing to do with his sex life.

Lol - sure it didn't.

 

[BSM1]

Lol - sure it didn't.

He was impeached for lying and obstructing justice. Facts are really a tricky thing.

 

[Alceste]

He was impeached for lying and obstructing justice. Facts are really a tricky thing.

What red blooded politician in either party, when asked if they've been humping the interns, isn't going to lie about it? And what obscene notion of "justice" is served by putting a politician's sex life on public display?

 

[Revoltingest]

No, sorry, Clinton's impeachment had absolutely nothing to do with his sex life.

Some of his crimes were the result of his dishonest handling of his dalliances. But then the commission of a crime to cover up an underlying legal act results in prison for ordinary folk, eg, Martha Stewart's stock dealings. She was found guilty only of perjuring herself in her defense.

 

[Sunstone]

Still, in my lifetime, it's Republican presidents impeached-0, Democratic presidents-1.

Under the circumstances, a trivial distinction at best.

 

[Revoltingest]

Under the circumstances, a trivial distinction at best.

This is true, given that Ford's pardon was the only reason Nixon avoided impeachment.
I say Dems & Pubs are about even in this measure of malfeasance. Both should be so proud.

 

[Sunstone]

What red blooded politician in either party, when asked if they've been humping the interns, isn't going to lie about it? And what obscene notion of "justice" is served by putting a politician's sex life on public display?

Folks say that impeachment wasn't about sex, but I don't buy that. Sex is the hot button of American politics. And despite the fact having sex with an intern amounts to nothing to do with governance, the Republicans went bonkers.

 

[BSM1]

Folks say that impeachment wasn't about sex, but I don't buy that. Sex is the hot button of American politics. And despite the fact having sex with an intern amounts to nothing to do with governance, the Republicans went bonkers.

Before you liberal types circle the wagon around this scumbag (Clinton) you might want to google Paula Jones. IMO anyone who abuses his power by seducing a nineteen year old girl should not be given a wink and nod. Where were the feminists?

 

[Alceste]

Folks say that impeachment wasn't about sex, but I don't buy that. Sex is the hot button of American politics. And despite the fact having sex with an intern amounts to nothing to do with governance, the Republicans went bonkers.

I know, right? It's completely about sex. Obviously. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. If the GOP hadn't been going around the white house sniffing everybody's panties for traces of Bill Clinton there would not have been any proceedings of any kind against him.

It's absolutely bizarre that you can get away with bugging your political opponents or illegally selling arms to Iran to raise funds to exacerbate civil unrest in Nicaragua, but stick your cigar into somebody's vagina and WATCH OUT!

 

[Alceste]

Before you liberal types circle the wagon around this scumbag (Clinton) you might want to google Paula Jones. IMO anyone who abuses his power by seducing a nineteen year old girl should not be given a wink and nod. Where were the feminists?

Are you under the impression that feminists think adult women should not be allowed to have consensual sex? You're mistaken.

 

[Sunstone]

Before you liberal types circle the wagon around this scumbag (Clinton) you might want to google Paula Jones. IMO anyone who abuses his power by seducing a nineteen year old girl should not be given a wink and nod. Where were the feminists?

Are you under the impression that feminists think adult women should not be allowed to have consensual sex? You're mistaken.

Is "harassment" the same as "seduction" to you conservative types nowadays? Apparently, Paula Jones alleged that Clinton harassed her. Clinton then settled out of court.

 

[LuisDantas]

So...truth is he was never impeached. Right?

Grasping at straws, anyone?

And maybe he did the country a favor by quitting when his innocence was questionable. Don't see that in very many Democrats.

Out of curiosity, in how many Republicans do you see that? Reagan and the Bushes did not quit despite Iran-Contras and the Middle East affairs, for instance.

While I am certain that you did not mean to, you sound just like you want to underscore how worse off the GOP is than the Dems these days.

 

[Alceste]

Is "harassment" the same as "seduction" to you conservative types nowadays? Apparently, Paula Jones alleged that Clinton harassed her. Clinton then settled out of court.

Apparently she was pressured into the lawsuit by the GOP to begin with.

If I only I could get $200,000 out of every guy that propositioned me for sex! Maybe if I start hanging around American politicians...

 

[Revoltingest]

Before you liberal types circle the wagon around this scumbag (Clinton) you might want to google Paula Jones. IMO anyone who abuses his power by seducing a nineteen year old girl should not be given a wink and nod. Where were the feminists?

Feminism is a selective agenda, weaponized when directed against one's foes, eg, Republicans.
Pretty things said about equality & respect aren't fundamental values to be applied universally.
Note how they didn't greet Anita Hill with the skepticism heaped upon Lewinski, Jones, Flowers,
etc of Clinton's "bimbo eruption". (Note: A feminist Democrat, Betsy Wright, coined the term to
dis inconvenient women when she worked under Clinton.)

(Hey, Mystic...I know not all feminists are duplicitous.)