Has the forum changed?

[Notanumber]

You start again? You do know that there are many races/cultures/ beliefs within Islam. And I refuse to start a new thread where you will slander Islam.
You know just as good as me what it means to be racistic toward Islam so cut the Bullsh.....t

How can anyone be racist against an ideology?

 

[Spirit of Light]

How can anyone be racist against an ideology?

Racist against the people who hold an ideology, Do not try to twist my words to something they are not. It is fully possible to be racist against a religion or the people following the religion.

 

[Notanumber]

Racist against the people who hold an ideology, Do not try to twist my words to something they are not. It is fully possible to be racist against a religion or the people following the religion.

Is there only one race that follows the Islamic ideology?

If so, what is it?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Is there only one race that follows the Islamic ideology?

If so, what is it?

No there are many races who follow Islam, You have Muslims within every Race and every country on earth. So choose one and yes there will be Muslims there in some form.
But you will not find aggressive Muslims everywhere. 99% of all Muslims in the world is calm and good people.
99% of all religious people are good and calm people, but you will find some who get extreme in every religion.
You have good and calm Atheists in the world, But you will find those who are extreme and hateful people there too.

 

[Notanumber]

No there are many races who follow Islam, You have Muslims within every Race and every country on earth. So choose one and yes there will be Muslims there in some form.
But you will not find aggressive Muslims everywhere. 99% of all Muslims in the world is calm and good people.
99% of all religious people are good and calm people, but you will find some who get extreme in every religion.
You have good and calm Atheists in the world, But you will find those who are extreme and hateful people there too.

It is the remaining 1% that I find disturbing, but criticizing Islam is not the same as criticizing Muslims.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It is the remaining 1% that I find disturbing, but criticizing Islam is not the same as criticizing Muslims.

Do you sometimes look at the rest of the forum threads and want to take part in discussion without making a critique of Islam? or is it your mission to spread negativity about Islam even it is 1% who do wrongdoings?

 

[Milton Platt]

Strangely but even in the Dir there is examples of Atheists who come to speak their case about how they dislike religion, so no it does not always work in a good way.

But i will say this, i have had the night to think about this thread. and it may be that my own view also is a wrong view when it comes to how we should behave toward non believers

As an atheist, I can agree that in a religious DIR, there is no need for an atheist to inject their viewpoint, as folks in the DIR are not there to question their beliefs. DIRs are a kind of echo chamber where beliefs are shared and compared rather than being critically examined. There are other areas on the forum where that can be done and people there are expecting things to be more argumentative.

 

[David1967]

And so the chaos begins...

Is that a video of our congress?

 

[Notanumber]

Do you sometimes look at the rest of the forum threads and want to take part in discussion without making a critique of Islam? or is it your mission to spread negativity about Islam even it is 1% who do wrongdoings?

Is 1% not a cause for concern?

 

[LuisDantas]

Racist against the people who hold an ideology, Do not try to twist my words to something they are not. It is fully possible to be racist against a religion or the people following the religion.

Yes, it probably can.

On the flip side, and I can't stress this enough, it is even more possible - and more frequent - to claim religious belief as a shield against criticism.

That... is not something that I can find it in me to approve. Not at all.

 

[LuisDantas]

No there are many races who follow Islam, You have Muslims within every Race and every country on earth. So choose one and yes there will be Muslims there in some form.
But you will not find aggressive Muslims everywhere. 99% of all Muslims in the world is calm and good people.
99% of all religious people are good and calm people, but you will find some who get extreme in every religion.
You have good and calm Atheists in the world, But you will find those who are extreme and hateful people there too.

True. Yet also misleading. There is just too much deemphasis on the fact that Islaam is very much an ideology (or actually several), and much of those ideologies is very much worth of criticism, and even of direct, firm, eventually unrelenting defiance.

That is just how things are.

And yes, Islaam is noteworthy in that respect.

 

[Terese]

It's always been a riot zone. Just pick your weapon of choice and join the carnage.

Watch out, Rival!

 

[shmogie]

Tom[/QUOT[/QUOTE]

Another point here is that RF has a bunch of forums with "debate" in the title. Seems like fair warning has been given.

What can an atheist contribute to a debate, say, of the Divine nature of Christ ? Nothing.

Atheists have one primary issue, and one issue only, related to theological debate, prove there is a God.

I debated in school, and every debate had a pro or con side on a specific subject, with specific debate rules.

So, in my hypothetical debate, atheists don´t believe, don´t care, and usually lack the knowledge to engage in a theological debate.

I have heard them hundreds of times, the same broken record. They become agitators and disrupters by design, and contribute nothing to the thread.

Fair warning apparently means to some that participants have to put up with off the topic arrogant bull****, from people, which means absolutely nothing to the issue at hand.

 

[icehorse]

So, in my hypothetical debate, atheists don´t believe, don´t care, and usually lack the knowledge to engage in a theological debate.

In my experience, atheists often know more about the religion they're debating than the faithful do.

 

[shmogie]

In my experience, atheists often know more about the religion they're debating than the faithful do.

Not my experience.

 

[icehorse]

Do you sometimes look at the rest of the forum threads and want to take part in discussion without making a critique of Islam? or is it your mission to spread negativity about Islam even it is 1% who do wrongdoings?

For the record, at least 50% of the world's Muslims want some form of Sharia. So, while I can agree that only 1% do "wrong doings" as you put it, half of them have values that I think cause problems. I think theocracy is a bad idea.