Has the US Made the World Less Secure?

[FatMan]

Do you know why the Middle East nations failed to gain true independence and free from control of the West?

Because the West has so cunningly installed the Zionist state of Israel there, and let the greedy leaders there fooled their citizen by creating tension and war with Israel since 1948. I do not think any ordinary Arab people have any interest in wiping Israel off the map. Ordinary Arab people would prefer to have all foreigners to leave their land, and let them handle their oil in their own way.

That is an extremely ignorant post. Could you explain how the West "cunningly" put Israel where it is and how they fooled citizens??

This should be good - - -let me grab some Twizzlers.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That is an extremely ignorant post. Could you explain how the West "cunningly" put Israel where it is and how they fooled citizens??

This should be good - - -let me grab some Twizzlers.

Don't encourage him.

 

[greatcalgarian]

At least you elucidated your thoughts this time. I just disagree with them now.

I have expressed these thoughts umteen times or google times all over the place in this RF is previous threads and postings.

 

[greatcalgarian]

That is an extremely ignorant post. Could you explain how the West "cunningly" put Israel where it is and how they fooled citizens??

This should be good - - -let me grab some Twizzlers.

Me ignorant? You do not even know how the West put Israel there? Perhaps you have been reading the wrong history book.

I would not say BBC is a neutral media, but I think you will feel comfortable reading what they have to say about how 'nobelly' the West put Israel where it is now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_ip_timeline/html/1929_36.stm

In 1916 the British Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, had promised the Arab leadership post-war independence for former Ottoman Arab provinces. However, at the same time, the secret Sykes-Picot Agreement between war victors, Britain and France, divided the region under their joint control.

Wouldn't you call the above cunning?

 

[greatcalgarian]

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There are different theories about why the British agreed to issue the Balfour declaration when they issued it. One possibility is that the declaration was deliberately contrived to allow the British to renege on earlier promises to France and the Arabs regarding Palestine. Lloyd George reportedly said that British control over Palestine would prevent it from falling into the hands of the agnostic atheistic French. Another hypothesis, is that the declaration was intended to curry favor with the Jews, so that the Jews in the United States and Russia would influence their governments to support the British cause in the war. However, the declaration did not fall as a bolt from the blue, but was rather the culmination of a long tradition in Britain that supported restoration of the Jews to their own land for philosophical, religious and imperialistic motives. ​

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http://www.mideastweb.org/mebalfour.htm

Okay, why did the Jews want to establish a nation at the Palestinian land? Jews have been displaced from the Palestinian land since the failed uprising in 70 AD against the Roman empire. Since that time, the Jews have been settling all over the world at different corners, though being looked down upon, managed to live happily at those land they have adopted to be their temporary residence, until their Almighty send the messiah to take them back to Palestinian. They are very patient, very religious, law abiding lot. However, many Western nations could not stand to see Jews becoming successful as a guest in the Western nations, and the persecution of Jews actually started by the West, to quote the Iranian President Ahmadineja, the German led the persecution. Now these antisemetic gangs so jealous of the Jews being successful in their countries were conspiring all the time to get rid of the Jews. The opportunity opened to them, when the Zionist concept caught up with more and more Jews, and the West started to goud them secretely and encouraged the Zionist to move the Jews out from the West into the Israel.

So do you see the cunningness and the ploy?

The Oil in the middle east nations also formed one of the major reason why the West wanted to move the Jews from their nation to Palestinian. This kill two birds with one stone. Getting rid of the Jews currently in their countries, and establishing a nation in the middle east which can drag the Arab nations into conflict, and allowed the West to continue dominating the region they 'liberated' from the Ottoman empire. Hope this is clear.​

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[greatcalgarian]

More other views on the declaration:
Statement issued by the British government in 1917, which is often seen as the initiation of the process leading to the establishment of the State of Israel.

Issuing of the statement is believed to have been motivated just as much by British interests, as by the sympathy for the Zionist cause. At the eve of the World War I Britain needed the support from the World Jewry, which had been neutral, and which represented a large part of the population of Germany and Austria-Hungary. The declaration was drafted with the help of US President, Woodrow Wilson, who was a strong supporter of Zionism.

Secondly, Britain saw the need to protect the sea route to India, which passed through the Suez Canal, upon which much of Britain's economy relied. In accordance with the spirit of the time which emphasized the "self-determination of small nations", supporting Zionism would be the easiest way to secure lasting British influence in the region east of the Canal, especially because the Levant had been Ottoman until 1917.

Lord Rothschild, to whom the letter was addressed, was a leading British Zionist.

 

[greatcalgarian]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]By the early years of the 20th century, Palestine was becoming a trouble spot of competing territorial claims and political interests. The Ottoman Empire was weakening, and European powers were entrenching their grip on areas in the eastern Mediterranean, including Palestine. During 1915-16, as World War I was underway, the British High Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, secretly corresponded with Husayn ibn `Ali, the patriarch of the Hashemite family and Ottoman governor of Mecca and Medina. McMahon convinced Husayn to lead an Arab revolt against the Ottoman Empire, which was aligned with Germany against Britain and France in the war. McMahon promised that if the Arabs supported Britain in the war, the British government would support the establishment of an independent Arab state under Hashemite rule in the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire, including Palestine. The Arab revolt, led by T. E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") and Husayn's son Faysal, was successful in defeating the Ottomans, and Britain took control over much of this area during World War I. [/FONT]

http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/brit-mandate-pal-isr-prime.html

Husayn ibn `Ali should have told all his descendent never to trust a word of the West, especially the British.
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[greatcalgarian]

This is from the Jordan point of view, different people with different self interest view the event of birth of Israel nation with different perspective:
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/his_arabrevolt.html

In any case, the interests of the colonial powers took precedence over promises made to the Arabs. While accepting the principle of Arab independence laid down in the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence, the Sykes-Picot Agreement, signed by Britain, France and Russia in 1916, divided the area into zones of permanent colonial influence. The agreement recognized French interests in Greater Syria and northern Iraq, while acknowledging British designs on a belt of influence from the Mediterranean to the Gulf to protect its trade and communications links with the Indian subcontinent. The Sykes-Picot Agreement specified that most of Palestine was to be entrusted to an international administration. The agreement clearly contradicted the promises made to Sharif Hussein of Mecca.
To further complicate matters, in a totally deceitful move British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour in 1917 issued a letter to a prominent British Jew, Lord Rothschild, promising Britain’s commitment and support for a Jewish home in Palestine. Known as the Balfour Declaration

 

[Reverend Rick]

The world has never been a safe place.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I have expressed these thoughts umteen times.....

Didn't Joesph Goebbels have something to say about this?

 

[greatcalgarian]

Didn't Joesph Goebbels have something to say about this?

How was that linked to this guy

Paul Joseph Goebbels (29 October 1897–1 May 1945) was a German politician and Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda during the Nazi regime from 1933 to 1945. He was one of Adolf Hitler's closest associates and most devout followers. Goebbels was known for his zealous and energetic oratory, virulent anti-Semitism and perfection of the so-called Big Lie technique of mass propaganda.

Goebbels earned a doctorate of philosophy from Heidelberg University in 1921, on the basis of a doctoral thesis on 18th century romantic drama; he then went on to work as a journalist and later a bank clerk and caller on the stock exchange. He also wrote novels and plays, but they were refused by publishers. Goebbels came into contact with the Nazi Party in 1923 during the French occupation of the Ruhr and became a member in 1924. He was appointed Gauleiter (regional party leader) of Berlin. In this position, he put his propaganda skills to full use, combating the local socialist and communist parties with the help of Nazi papers and the paramilitary SA. By 1928 he had risen in the party ranks become to become one of its most prominent members.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

How was that linked to this guy

"If you tell the same lie over and over again..."

 

[greatcalgarian]

"If you tell the same lie over and over again..."

That applies only the GW Bush
No one else qualified to that except the great President of USA

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That applies only the GW Bush
No one else qualified to that except the great President of USA

Go back...I was referring to you.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Go back...I was referring to you.

Then I am equal to Bush, I am really honored.