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Hasidic and Haredi Jews

I wasn't sure if this is the exact place to put this so, please move it if you feel it should be elsewhere.

I was wondering, I know the Haredi are the Ultra-Orthodox Jews, but, are all Haredi Jews Hasidic, or are all Hasidic Jews part of the Ultra-Orthodox movement?, the reason I'm asking is because I've read the Hasidic Jews do make up the Haredi, but, I've also read (I think it was in Perle Epstein's 'Kabbalah: Way of the Jewish Mystic' ) that the are Ultra-Orthodox who are more legalistic, who oppose the Hasidism.

Anyway, I was just wondering, how related the Hasidism and the Haredi were?.

Also, where would Chabad Lubavitch fit in? (i.e. I know they're Orthodox, but, are they Haredi, Modern Orthodox, or somewhere else).

And, just one final quick question, is AISH.com Haredi or Modern Orthodox?, it's just I've seen some things that say it's Ultra-Orthodox (and some of their articles give that away, with some bigoted attitudes to other religions, and I really didn't like their homosexuality articles (& this one as well), but, I've also seen some of their articles which didn't seem too bad, and, I think I noticed some of Britain's Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sachs articles on there, and, if I'm not mistaken, he's Modern Orthodox, not Haredi (correct me if I'm wrong?).

Thanks agan for any help you can provide.
 

Smoke

Done here.
I don't like the term "Ultra-Orthodox," because it implies that the Haredim are more Orthodox than the modern Orthodox.

The Haredim include the Hasidim. That is, all Hasidim are Haredi, but not all Haredim are Hasidic. There are various conflicts and squabbles among the Haredim, but they're all legalistic; they just don't always agree on everything. The Hasidim follow the movement founded by the Baal Shem Tov; other Haredim are similarly anti-modern, but have different backgrounds.

Chabad Lubavitch is a Hasidic group, and thus also Haredi. Hasidic is more specific. Because many (probably most) Lubavitchers regard the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, as the Messiah, they're a controversial group within the Hasidim and within Orthodox Judaism generally. Generally speaking, other Orthodox Jews reject Chabad's messianic beliefs, but there's some difference of opinion about just how serious the problem is. The Satmarer Hasidim, who didn't get along well with the Lubavitchers even before the messianic controversy, regard the Lubavitchers as apostates and idolators, and a few others take a similarly severe view. Most Orthodox Jews regard Chabad Lubavitch with some caution.

Chabad Lubavitch is definitely not Modern Orthodox, but they do have an active outreach among Modern Orthodox. (My first Hanukkah in New York they kept following me down the street trying to get me to put on a kippah and tefillin. They refused to believe I wasn't Jewish, and kept admonishing me not to deny my heritage. So I guess I "look Jewish," at least to some people. I was greatly amused, and it's one of my favorite memories of New York.)

I'm not sure about Aish HaTorah. I'm under the impression that they're kind of a cooperative venture among Orthodox.
 

Dena

Active Member
I don't know about aish. They have articles written by those who I don't think are necessarily orthodox but then again, some people think they are too liberal. So I guess it is sorta like a cooperative effort between different Orthodox groups.

Chabad has outreach wherever there are Jews. They don't care if they are Orthodox, Reform, Secular, whatever. Lubavitchers are Orthodox themselves but they interact with all Jews. I don't think there are many left who believe the Rebbe was Messiah? Are there?
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
I wasn't sure if this is the exact place to put this so, please move it if you feel it should be elsewhere.

I was wondering, I know the Haredi are the Ultra-Orthodox Jews, but, are all Haredi Jews Hasidic, or are all Hasidic Jews part of the Ultra-Orthodox movement?, the reason I'm asking is because I've read the Hasidic Jews do make up the Haredi, but, I've also read (I think it was in Perle Epstein's 'Kabbalah: Way of the Jewish Mystic' ) that the are Ultra-Orthodox who are more legalistic, who oppose the Hasidism.

Anyway, I was just wondering, how related the Hasidism and the Haredi were?.

Also, where would Chabad Lubavitch fit in? (i.e. I know they're Orthodox, but, are they Haredi, Modern Orthodox, or somewhere else).

And, just one final quick question, is AISH.com Haredi or Modern Orthodox?, it's just I've seen some things that say it's Ultra-Orthodox (and some of their articles give that away, with some bigoted attitudes to other religions, and I really didn't like their homosexuality articles (& this one as well), but, I've also seen some of their articles which didn't seem too bad, and, I think I noticed some of Britain's Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sachs articles on there, and, if I'm not mistaken, he's Modern Orthodox, not Haredi (correct me if I'm wrong?).

Thanks agan for any help you can provide.

As Smoke mentioned, all Hasidim are Haredim, but not all Haredim are Hasidim. First of all, until the past 10-20 years or so, Hasidism was a movement confined to Ashkenazi Jews, and even among Ashkenazim, primarily to Eastern European Jews.

Hasidism (the word chasid means, roughly, "righteous" or perhaps "kindly:" it stems from a word for which there is no equivalent in English, the word chesed, which is often translated as "lovingkindness." A chasid is one who is defined by embodying the characteristic of chesed. The Besht's Hasidim took or were given the moniker in echo of the medieval movement of the Hasidei Ashkenaz ["The righteous of Ashkenaz," Ashkenaz being roughly Germany, the Rhineland, and parts of the Lowland Countries], who were instrumental in founding the Ashkenazic culture as we know it) arose when the Baal Shem Tov (R. Yisrael ben Eliezer, also sometimes referred to by his acronym, the BeSHT) began attracting followers to his particular interpretation of Jewish life. He was an ecstatic and charismatic, heavily influenced by Kabbalah, and preached a Judaism full of joy and celebration, where the mystic was embraced to the point of being exoteric. His was very much a movement of the popular masses, though often the Besht's students and future Hasidic masters studied at the great yeshivas also.

It was the culture of the yeshivas (the great Talmudic academies) to which Hasidism found itself in opposition. The yeshiva culture was geared toward the best young boys coming to study at the yeshiva, where they dedicated themselves to the pursuit of pilpul, the art of infinitely refining legal theory. The rest of the populace worked to support the yeshiva students, but were themselves often ignorant, or even illiterate, and often found their lives hard and dull. The yeshiva culture, which upon the rise of Hasidism became known as Mitnagedim (the word mitnaged means "to set oneself in opposition [to something]," so Mitnagedim are, more or less literally, "The Opposition"), gained strength as it eventually fought a two-front battle, as the rise to power and prevalence of Hasidism also coincided with the Enlightenment coming to Eastern Europe, and Eastern European Jews beginning to leave orthodox practice and tradition for an assimilated life in the largest cities, or Western Europe (where such assimilation was far more widespread).

Although the mitnegedic culture has always had strength-- one of their earliest leaders was the great Vilna Gaon, and in the 20th century, some of the greatest acknowledged gedolei ha-dor ("leaders of the generation" or "greatest of the generation," an appellation given to rabbis whose sagacity and authority is acknowledged by many, many Jews) have been mitnagedic, including Reb Moshe Feinstein and Rav Joseph Soloveitchik.

Hasidism flourished brilliantly in its early days: the great masters, who were the students and descendants of the Besht, wrote masterful commentaries on Torah, full of mystical teachings, and most of their works taught love of God, hope in the face of despair, joy in observance and daily life, and the respect for common people as well as great scholars and leaders. As the movement grew, and flourished, and became widespread, and as modern culture became ever more pervasive, and the Enlightenment drew many Jews away from traditional practice who might otherwise have embraced Hasidism, the movement became more xenophobic, and turned inward.

In the aftermath of the Shoah, with mass migrations of survivors to America, to British Palestine, to England, and to Canada, as well as a couple of other places; and in the lead-up to independence and the early years of the State of Israel, Hasidim and Mitnagedim often found it within themselves to work together, as the struggles within Judaism became ever more oriented toward Orthodoxy and secularism as polar opposites. Though friction has never entirely left the Hasidic and Mitnagedic interaction, especially in Israel both often work together to bolster Haredi political and social efforts. And both have been-- in the past twenty years or so-- picking up new membership from the Mizrahi and Sefardi communities, which have often been dismayed at their people leaving the Mizrahi and Sefardi traditions for the Ashkenazi ones they pick up in yeshiva (Hasidim have yeshivas too, they just have a slightly different culture than Litvak [Yiddish for "Lithuanian," where the mitnagedic movement was headquarted originally at the yeshiva of the Vilna Gaon, and thus often used today in place of the word mitnaged] yeshivas do).

Ironically, Hasidism, which began as an ecstatic movement, has become just as closed-off as Litvish Orthodoxy, and it can often be hard to find the joy in their Judaism. That said, occasionally it is still very much present.

Chabad (an acronym for Chochmah, Binah, Da'at, or "Wisdom, Understand, Knowledge,") is a movement within Hasidism. Originally, it was comprised of several Hasidic dynasties working in concert, but all the major ones have left, dwindled, or died out save for the Lubavitcher Hasidim, which is why often today it is called Chabad-Lubavitch. It was the first rebbe of the Lubavitchers, Reb Shneur Zalman of Liady who began Chabad. He was brilliant, though always something of an oddity among the Besht's students, in that his Hasidism was much more intellectually-based and yet at the same time overtly Kabbalistic. Chabad was a movement that emphasized intellect over emotion, and encouraged rigorous study to a degree most of the other early Hasidic movements did not, nor did it particularly focus on ecstaticism. Reb Shneur Zalman's Kabbalistic teachings also were unusual in that they express a twist on Lurianic Kabbalah that ends up with a deeply pantheist, monistic theology. Nonetheless, Chabad was Hasidic, and the ecstatic and joyful elements where not entirely absent from the movement, either. Though the Lubavitcher (that is, formerly based in the town of Lyubavitche, near Smolensk) Hasidim have always dominated Chabad, originally other dynasties joined them, and even today, Chabad is such a powerful tool for kiruv ("drawing close," that is, the reaching out by observant Jews to non-observant Jews in order to help the non-observant become more observant) that many today consider themselves Chabadnikim (chabadnik is the standard Yiddishism that has been taken up by modern Hebrew as meaning "a member or follower of Chabad") who are not Lubavitchers at all.

Aish HaTorah is a much more recent innovation. It is a synthetic Haredi movement, blending elements of Litvish and Hasidic thought, along with elements of Kabbalistic mussar (moralistic teachings). Its main purpose is kiruv, and it is certainly much more open and less publicly judgmental about non-observant Jews than any other Haredi movement. I want to think well of them, but somehow, my gut always tells me they seem just a bit creepy....

As for Rabbi Sacks, he is not technically Haredi, although he is not quite what I would call Modern Orthodox, either. Centrist Orthodox is more or less how I would approximate his position.

And, BTW, I can't say I care much for the term "ultra-Orthodox" either, but I use it because not everyone understands what Haredi means.
 

Smoke

Done here.
I don't think there are many left who believe the Rebbe was Messiah? Are there?
Oh, yeah. But there are a lot who won't take a public position on it, too.

I think the Rebbe himself thought he was the Messiah; it's certainly possible to interpret his words and actions that way. I'm not convinced that believing he was the Messiah makes one an apostate, but I suppose the Satmarers would say I'm not in a position to say. :)
 
I don't like the term "Ultra-Orthodox," because it implies that the Haredim are more Orthodox than the modern Orthodox.

The Haredim include the Hasidim. That is, all Hasidim are Haredi, but not all Haredim are Hasidic. There are various conflicts and squabbles among the Haredim, but they're all legalistic; they just don't always agree on everything. The Hasidim follow the movement founded by the Baal Shem Tov; other Haredim are similarly anti-modern, but have different backgrounds.

Chabad Lubavitch is a Hasidic group, and thus also Haredi. Hasidic is more specific. Because many (probably most) Lubavitchers regard the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, as the Messiah, they're a controversial group within the Hasidim and within Orthodox Judaism generally. Generally speaking, other Orthodox Jews reject Chabad's messianic beliefs, but there's some difference of opinion about just how serious the problem is. The Satmarer Hasidim, who didn't get along well with the Lubavitchers even before the messianic controversy, regard the Lubavitchers as apostates and idolators, and a few others take a similarly severe view. Most Orthodox Jews regard Chabad Lubavitch with some caution.

I'll remember not to use "Ultra-Orthodox" for Haredi Jews (I only recenly learnt what the term Haredi referred too, and I've been so use to callng them "Ultra-Orthodox", I'll have to break that habit).

As Smoke mentioned, all Hasidim are Haredim, but not all Haredim are Hasidim. First of all, until the past 10-20 years or so, Hasidism was a movement confined to Ashkenazi Jews, and even among Ashkenazim, primarily to Eastern European Jews.

Hasidism (the word chasid means, roughly, "righteous" or perhaps "kindly:" it stems from a word for which there is no equivalent in English, the word chesed, which is often translated as "lovingkindness." A chasid is one who is defined by embodying the characteristic of chesed. The Besht's Hasidim took or were given the moniker in echo of the medieval movement of the Hasidei Ashkenaz ["The righteous of Ashkenaz," Ashkenaz being roughly Germany, the Rhineland, and parts of the Lowland Countries], who were instrumental in founding the Ashkenazic culture as we know it) arose when the Baal Shem Tov (R. Yisrael ben Eliezer, also sometimes referred to by his acronym, the BeSHT) began attracting followers to his particular interpretation of Jewish life. He was an ecstatic and charismatic, heavily influenced by Kabbalah, and preached a Judaism full of joy and celebration, where the mystic was embraced to the point of being exoteric. His was very much a movement of the popular masses, though often the Besht's students and future Hasidic masters studied at the great yeshivas also.


Hasidism flourished brilliantly in its early days: the great masters, who were the students and descendants of the Besht, wrote masterful commentaries on Torah, full of mystical teachings, and most of their works taught love of God, hope in the face of despair, joy in observance and daily life, and the respect for common people as well as great scholars and leaders. As the movement grew, and flourished, and became widespread, and as modern culture became ever more pervasive, and the Enlightenment drew many Jews away from traditional practice who might otherwise have embraced Hasidism, the movement became more xenophobic, and turned inward.


Ironically, Hasidism, which began as an ecstatic movement, has become just as closed-off as Litvish Orthodoxy, and it can often be hard to find the joy in their Judaism. That said, occasionally it is still very much present.

Aish HaTorah is a much more recent innovation. It is a synthetic Haredi movement, blending elements of Litvish and Hasidic thought, along with elements of Kabbalistic mussar (moralistic teachings). Its main purpose is kiruv, and it is certainly much more open and less publicly judgmental about non-observant Jews than any other Haredi movement. I want to think well of them, but somehow, my gut always tells me they seem just a bit creepy....

As for Rabbi Sacks, he is not technically Haredi, although he is not quite what I would call Modern Orthodox, either. Centrist Orthodox is more or less how I would approximate his position.

And, BTW, I can't say I care much for the term "ultra-Orthodox" either, but I use it because not everyone understands what Haredi means.

Thanks again for the detailed information, I wasn't sure if Hasidic Jews were Haredi or not, it's just, growing up, I always assumed Haredi were the more fundamentalist branch of Judaism (didn't one of them kill the Israeli PM Rabin, because of the peace deal he was making?), and, since I've been learning about Hasidic Judaism (like from Perle Epstein's books), and others, it seemed more, I guess, joyous, more accepting, etc (I think Epstein likened the Baal Shem Tov to another religious reformer born in India, who became a Buddha). Also, I think I read online that Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi was, originally, trained by Chabad-Lubavitch, before he branched off in another direction, and he doesn't seem to fit the image of what I originally pictured the Haredi as. It's why I was interested in knowing if there was a difference between the Hasidic and the Haredi.

Also, about AISH, I think I can understand your feeling, some of their articles (namely the homosexuality ones, but, others as well) strike me as just ignorant.
 

Dena

Active Member
You should come to Crown Heights, Brooklyn. The Rebbe's face is all over the place.

Well...yes. When I read my first book on the Lubavitchers I was actually shocked at the way they spoke about the Rebbe. All the "I know he is here with me, he's helping me to do this", yadda yadda. But do they still think he's Moshiach?
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
Well...yes. When I read my first book on the Lubavitchers I was actually shocked at the way they spoke about the Rebbe. All the "I know he is here with me, he's helping me to do this", yadda yadda. But do they still think he's Moshiach?

I'd love to comment on this and compare them to MJ but hey, it's our DIR so I'll keep my tongue. :D
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Well...yes. When I read my first book on the Lubavitchers I was actually shocked at the way they spoke about the Rebbe. All the "I know he is here with me, he's helping me to do this", yadda yadda. But do they still think he's Moshiach?

There's a gag line that people sometimes say in the Conservative and left-wing Modern Orthodox movements: "I love Chabad: it's the closest religion to Judaism." It's unkind, of course, but the truth is, if your rebbe is dead, and you still think he was the moshiach, and he's gonna come back from the dead...I have bad news for you. I had a baal teshuvah (someone who's been secular but has "come back" to Orthodox Judaism) Chabadnik once try to convince me that the Rebbe was really moshiach, and was coming back from death any day now. I started nodding, looking interested, and said,

"So you're saying that his death isn't final? He'll return?"

Him: "Yeah, yeah! Davka, that's what I'm saying!"

Me: "That he'll come back to us, and be adonenu malkenu hamoshiach [our lord the king messiah]? He'll lead the people out of galus [exile] into ge'ulah [redemption]?"

Him: "Yeah, yeah, yeah! That's entirely what he's going to do!"

Me: "So, in other words, you're telling me, 'Lo, he is risen! Our Lord, he is risen!'"

Him: "Yeah, y-- Hey!!!"

Which is pretty much my point. We don't do moshiach that way. If a guy seems like he might be moshiach, see if he does all the stuff moshiach is supposed to do. If he doesn't, he isn't. If he dies without doing it, he wasn't. Doesn't mean he wasn't a great scholar and a good man. Just means he wasn't the moshiach. And I'm sorry, but we don't do "coming back from the dead." You die, you're dead. Maybe you reincarnate, maybe you go to the World to Come, maybe you float around as a spirit, maybe a lot of stuff, but you don't come back. At the very least, not until Judgment Day, along with everyone else.

I have friends who are Chabadniks. They're awesome people. They're paragons of good Jewishness. They won't talk about their friends who think the Rebbe is coming back to be moshaiach.

I wouldn't either: the people who say so are basically early Christians. Their Jesus just had a whiter beard. It's a shame. But it's true.
 

Sufi

Member
Speaking of Haredim what do you guys think of Rabbi Dovid Yisroel Weiss (Neturei Karta Movement נטורי קרתא)
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Speaking of Haredim what do you guys think of Rabbi Dovid Yisroel Weiss (Neturei Karta Movement נטורי קרתא)

The Neturei Karta are lunatics. They are a tiny fringe movement, and their theology is so perverse that their mere disagreement with the choices of Jews who are Zionist to them justify allying with enemies and haters of the Jewish people, and celebrating the deaths and misfortunes of other Jews. There is no excuse for them. Except for being less directly responsible for violence, they are like the al-Qaeda of Judaism. They are awful, awful people.
 

Sufi

Member
The Neturei Karta are lunatics. They are a tiny fringe movement, and their theology is so perverse that their mere disagreement with the choices of Jews who are Zionist to them justify allying with enemies and haters of the Jewish people, and celebrating the deaths and misfortunes of other Jews. There is no excuse for them. Except for being less directly responsible for violence, they are like the al-Qaeda of Judaism. They are awful, awful people.

They seem to have a lot of support from holocaust survivors (including Rabbi's that survived WW2 and are still alive).

I dont see how Rabbi Weiss & Neturei Karta are responsible for violence tho.
Neturei Karta in fact are against Israeli (Militairy) aggression.
 
Speaking of Haredim what do you guys think of Rabbi Dovid Yisroel Weiss (Neturei Karta Movement נטורי קרתא)

The Neturei Karta are lunatics. They are a tiny fringe movement, and their theology is so perverse that their mere disagreement with the choices of Jews who are Zionist to them justify allying with enemies and haters of the Jewish people, and celebrating the deaths and misfortunes of other Jews. There is no excuse for them. Except for being less directly responsible for violence, they are like the al-Qaeda of Judaism. They are awful, awful people.

I hope it's ok to ask this, but, who are the Neturei Karta?, since I'm guessing they're anti-Israel, are they the same ones who went to the conference that the Iranian President put together about how the Holocaust was a "hoax"? (I remember seeing in the news about the conference, and saw some Jews there, which surprised me at the time).
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
They seem to have a lot of support from holocaust survivors (including Rabbi's that survived WW2 and are still alive).

I dont see how Rabbi Weiss & Neturei Karta are responsible for violence tho.
Neturei Karta in fact are against Israeli (Militairy) aggression.

The Neturei Karta do not have a lot of support from Holocaust survivors. Outside their own ranks, they have support from a handful of kooks (Holocaust survivors, like any other group of people, have a few nuts among them), whom they trot out for the media at every opportunity, so that folks will think that they have a lot of support from Holocaust survivors. I have done lots of work with Holocaust survivors, and except for a few Satmarer Hasidim, I have never met a survivor who wasn't a Zionist. And any who had heard of the Neturei Karta of course despised them, since the Neturei Karta ally themselves with Holocaust deniers, and they claim that not only was the Holocaust "far less severe than we have been led to believe," they say it was God's punishment on the Jewish people for Zionism and rejection of Orthodoxy! Not the kind of thing that would endear them to any sane Holocaust survivor.

The Neturei Karta ally themselves with anti-Israel forces, terrorists, and racist criminals, like Hamas, Iran, Hizbollah, neo-Nazis, and the KKK. They give those causes money, public support, and a media goldmine. They pray for the death of Members of the Knesset, they rejoice when Israeli soldiers are killed or Israelis fall victim to terrorist attacks, and they celebrated the murder of Yitzhak Rabin. They actively encourage "good Jews" to kill Israeli government officials. They even pray for the impoverishment and devastation of any Jews who are Zionists outside the State of Israel.

And in case anyone might think that they're actually motivated by any genuine heartbreak for those Palestinian civilians unfortunate enough to get shanghaied into the line of fire by terrorists who use them as shields to hide among, they could not care less. They support the enemies of Israel overwhelming and conquering the Jewish State so that, according to them, when the time comes, God will strike down each and every one of the enemies of the Jewish people (including Palestinians and other Arabs, along with Jews disobedient to the will of God, according to them), in ways far more hideous and torturous than we might imagine, and will lead up all of the good non-Zionist ultra-Orthodox Jews back to Israel, where they will establish an ultra-Orthodox theocratic monarchy that will rule over not only Israel, but all the lands formerly possessed by the enemies of Israel.

Their hatred is for every Jew not following the "Word of God" precisely as they interpret it. They see non-Jews merely as tools to use in their fight against Zionism, and otherwise as contemptible people who must be placated and tolerated as necessary in order to gain more support against Israel.

If I believed in a Hell, which I don't, they would be going there.
 
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Levite

Higher and Higher
I hope it's ok to ask this, but, who are the Neturei Karta?, since I'm guessing they're anti-Israel, are they the same ones who went to the conference that the Iranian President put together about how the Holocaust was a "hoax"? (I remember seeing in the news about the conference, and saw some Jews there, which surprised me at the time).

The Neturei Karta are a tiny splinter group in the Haredi world. The name Neturei Karta is from the Talmud, an Aramaic phrase meaning, roughly, "Guardians of the City." They were a split-off from Agudas Yisroel, which was the major political movement in British Palestine of centrist Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews. Agudas Yisroel was initially not a supporter of Zionism, because at that time Zionism was monolithically dominated by secular (socialist) Jews. However, Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, managed to cut a deal with Agudas Yisroel which, for various rights and privileges guaranteed (many now coming back to bite Israeli Jewish society in the a** today), gave support to the new State of Israel and its government. The Neturei Karta split off in 1938, when it became clear that Agudas Yisroel would, in fact, support what became the first government of the State of Israel.

Their practice and theology has always been radically fundamentalist, but radical fundamentalism is common as dirt in the Haredi world. Their anti-Zionism is of legendary proportions, but there are certainly other non-Zionists, or even anti-Zionists in the Jewish world. The Satmarer Hasidim, for exampe, are anti-Zionist, and there are far, far more of them than there are Neturei Karta.

The difference with the Neturei Karta is that, while other Jewish anti-Zionist groups like the Satmarers disagree with Israel, and think that it's a shame that Jews seek to overstep themselves in creating a Jewish political entity in Israel before God sends the moshiach to do so, the Neturei Karta believe that this justifies violence and actively seeking to bring ill (either in the form of political workings, social agitation, or praying for the devastation or demise of them) to other Jews, even to allying with enemies of the Jewish people to do so and giving them aid and comfort. The Neturei Karta even ally with Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis. They make media spectacles of themselves to garner more support for betraying their fellow Jews.

No other Jewish group, even Jewish anti-Zionist movements, would do so.
 
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