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Hate abortion? Support free birth control.

Alceste

Vagabond
'Obamacare Simulation' Cuts Teen Pregnancy Rates 80 Percent - US News and World Report


the article said:
Through a project known as Contraceptive CHOICE, nearly 10,000 women between the ages of 14 and 45 in the St. Louis and Kansas City, Mo., areas were offered free contraceptives between 2007 and 2011. Abortion rates among that cohort were between two thirds and three quarters less than the national average for those years. For the 500 teens in the study, the birth rate was 1-in-159, compared to the 1-in-29 birth rate nationally--an 80 percent drop. But most teens would likely not receive healthcare benefits from employers although they might be covered under their parents' policies.
"We were essentially simulating Obamacare," says Gina Secura, of Washington University in St. Louis, one of the authors of the report. "It seems like a no-brainer, but it's a good example of what Obamacare could possibly look like if women had access to birth control options in terms of cost and education of different methods."


Given this information, is it possible for any reasoning person to oppose BOTH free birth control AND abortion?
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
'Obamacare Simulation' Cuts Teen Pregnancy Rates 80 Percent - US News and World Report




Given this information, is it possible for any reasoning person to oppose BOTH free birth control AND abortion?

Believe it or not you and I are in complete agreement on the abortion issue. I believe abortion, for any reason, should be up to a woman, her doctor, and her conscience. One reason I feel this way is because I have a young granddaughter. God forbid she should do something stupid and get pregnant as a teenager. But if she does, and she does not want to have the baby, I pray that she can go to a sterile clinic with a qualified medical doctor to perform the abortion. When I was a teenager many young women died in back rooms and kitchens due to botched abortions. Although aborting a fetus is tragic, I will always love my granddaughter more than I love an unborn entity.

But here's a totally mercenary argument for free abortions: it's cheaper for taxpayers to pay for an abortion than to pay for raising a child for 18 or more years.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Believe it or not you and I are in complete agreement on the abortion issue. I believe abortion, for any reason, should be up to a woman, her doctor, and her conscience. One reason I feel this way is because I have a young granddaughter. God forbid she should do something stupid and get pregnant as a teenager. But if she does, and she does not want to have the baby, I pray that she can go to a sterile clinic with a qualified medical doctor to perform the abortion. When I was a teenager many young women died in back rooms and kitchens due to botched abortions. Although aborting a fetus is tragic, I will always love my granddaughter more than I love an unborn entity.

But here's a totally mercenary argument for free abortions: it's cheaper for taxpayers to pay for an abortion than to pay for raising a child for 18 or more years.

This much is true. There are a number of reasons free birth control is preferable to a restrictive approach. The fact that such policies dramatically reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies (and subsequently the number of abortions sought out) will be the hardest for the "abstinence education" crowd to overcome.

OTOH, I don't expect they care about such studies.
 

Alex_G

Enlightner of the Senses
'Obamacare Simulation' Cuts Teen Pregnancy Rates 80 Percent - US News and World Report





Given this information, is it possible for any reasoning person to oppose BOTH free birth control AND abortion?

I think free access to birth control and abortion is a good thing. Couple it with good education and your onto a winner. I thinks its good from a perspective of liberty and freedom on the part of females, and also probably beneficial in a cost benefit analysis regarding the avoidance of unwanted pregnancies, emotional and financial costs that would ensue, medical costs of complications, which are higher in very young mothers for example, especially considering the low manufacture costs of most mainstream contraception.
Perhapse it will have a side benefit of knocking sexually transmitted dieases on the head too.

I will say though that perhaps one could defend a charge for abortion above a certain number in a given time frame. Individuals who arnt properly implementing birth control and just claiming the 'free' abortions. But maybe the 'cost' would be that they have to go on a sexual health and family planning course, rather than it being a monetary cost.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Those figures are fairly impressive.
In the UK Contraception is free if you ask for it.
However not everyone does.
There are still large numbers of unwanted pregnancies and large numbers of abortions.

Some religious groups campaign against both as if they were the same thing, though there are probably many reasons why some do not ever use contraception. Some men refuse, some women think it a sin, and some are just normal stupid.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
My one complaint is that I fear this is going to be another instance of subsidizing female health at the expense of male health (as we see with money spent on breast cancer vs testicular and prostate cancer). Will Obamacare cover male birth control pills when they hit the market? Does it cover condoms?
 

Alceste

Vagabond
My one complaint is that I fear this is going to be another instance of subsidizing female health at the expense of male health (as we see with money spent on breast cancer vs testicular and prostate cancer). Will Obamacare cover male birth control pills when they hit the market? Does it cover condoms?

Eh...

Not every item of good news for women is bad news for men. That's all I have to say about that.

Up here, you can get free condoms at a number of places.
 
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