Hate speech in the Quran and Bible. Should it be tolerated/accepted?

[Lain]

There is absolutely hateful speech in Scripture

Jesus said that those who don't eat his flesh and drink his blood are dead with no life in them. John 6, That is bigotry.

The New Testament says repeatedly people will be thrown into the darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth and torment that lasts forever and ever. Those not written in the book of life will be thrown into a lake of fire. That is pure hatred because it is pure cruelty, and the epitome of cruelty. In my opinion, extreme forms of sadistic cruelty = hatred!

If your definition of "hate speech" and "bigotry" is preaching a truth and an eternal condemnation then I suppose you would say it is in the Scriptures.

 

[Spiderman]

Interesting that the website that you used for this -Letter of St. Athanasius on the Psalter (pray it daily, using an LXX/Vulgate Psalter) - is filled with anti-Semitic bovine excrement.

Rabbi
I would like to thank you for correcting me in the past about my anger at Yahweh as being interpreted as anti-Semetic. I apologize and do recognize my errors in being excessively offensive, while at the same time I cannot be more in disagreement with Yahweh and the Scriptures.

My problem is not with Jews, because I have met many Jews , and they don't tell me I'm going to Hell for eternity. This OP was directed at Christianity and Islam.

It is Biblical that we can contend with Yahweh and get him to change his mind when we present a more merciful case. Moses got God to "Repent of the Evil God planned on doing to Israel". God also changed his mind and repented of the "evil he planned on doing to" the people of Nineveh.

All Jews descend from Jacob, is that not correct? The twelve tribes of Israel are sons of Jacob , and Israel the nation is sometimes referred to as "Jacob", and Jacob's name was changed to Israel , meaning "Contender with God".

Would you agree that it can be noble to contend with God?

 

[Spiderman]

Yeah the FishEaters folks can be kind of wild, but they have many good sources on the spiritual life, hence the link.

Rat poison is mostly healthy food for the rat. The tiny percent that is lethal is deadly for the rat. Should you be consuming sources of Spiritual nourishment, that contain poison, because some of it is healthy?

 

[stevecanuck]

But you didn't provide any examples. You just asked if I had read it, and then refused to explain why you asked.

That's his MO. I've been down that road with him a couple of times.

 

[Spiderman]

If your definition of "hate speech" and "bigotry" is preaching a truth and an eternal condemnation then I suppose you would say it is in the Scriptures.

And we should just bend the knee and go along with pure cruelty and the epitome of cruelty in it's most extreme forms (Hatred)?

Tell me,
it is Biblical that if you die unbaptized and don't accept Jesus, you have no forgiveness for you sins and go to hell, correct?

Does that mean Jews go to Hell?

I mean, the Scriptures lead countless Christians to believe such hatred and bigotry. Should good people refuse to take a stand against it , simply because it is attributed to the Messiah? Do you want to be in Heaven having to act perfect and forever pay homage to a cruel God who would toss an innocent child with a good heart (Like Anne Frank) into some "Lake of Fire"?

Knowledge of who the Messiah would be , was given to the Jews primarily. Perhaps they had very good reasons for not believing Jesus fulfilled those requirements? Also, a lot of Jews see how Christians have treated their people throughout the centuries, and I don't blame them for refusing to convert. Also, many Jews don't convert because they want to keep their Hebrew identity, how one is raised, and a load of other reasons.

Jesus did claim to be God (which many interpreted as blasphemy) and told people they had to eat his flesh and drink his blood or they have no life with in them. How can you blame people for not wanting to eat someone's flesh and drink their blood or be considered "condemned, cut off from grace, lifeless"? Plus Jesus simply was not keeping with the traditions that Yahweh gave the Jewish people to obey. Drinking human blood was a big "NO NO" according to the traditions Yahweh set down to be followed.

 

[Lain]

And we should just bend the knee and go along with pure cruelty and the epitome of cruelty in it's most extreme forms (Hatred)?

Tell me,
it is Biblical that if you die unbaptized and don't accept Jesus, you have no forgiveness for you sins and go to hell, correct?

Does that mean Jews go to Hell?

Not necessarily. It is possible for those who were not Christian in this life consciously to be saved. We do not know how the Judgment will go down, but even virtuous pagans have been thought to be saved.

 

[Spiderman]

Not necessarily. It is possible for those who were not Christian in this life consciously to be saved. We do not know how the Judgment will go down, but even virtuous pagans have been thought to be saved.

Well,
You are Catholic. So, you aren't embracing as much bigotry as Sola-Scriptura. Catholics believe there can be a final illumination.

I went to Mass and confession yesterday.

I also love the Virgin Mary and pray many Hail Marys. But I do it in the context of Shinto, where I don't embrace Dogma or Scripture as being without error. Dogma and Scripture leads to endless arguments and debates. It distracts from living the little way of Saint Therese "Doing little things with great love".

Stick with that!

The Queen of Heaven loves you. Shinto exalts the Divine Feminine! Stay under Mary's mantle and love her tenderly. God bless!

 

[firedragon]

Finally!
That wasn't too bad, was it?

So, what does it mean, in that particular verse, in that context?

Its Faala Laazimun. Which means its ending the sentiment with a qualifier. Like when you say Zahuba Haazaa wadhurabaauhoo or Haazaa Idhriboohunna which means to leave or left.

 

[DNB]

Yahweh says he is jealous and creates evil.

YaHWeH says a lot of things.

 

[DNB]

How about the babies' whom this God supposedly told his followers to dash against the rocks?
Or all the poor people bought and sold into slavery, with God's endorsement and instruction?
How about the virgins whom God supposedly told his invaders to keep for their own?

God is sovereign and has to deal with all types of people, some good and some bad. It is evidently an extremely evil world that we live in, does everybody seem innocent to you?

 

[DNB]

In my opinion, this kind of thinking is cruel and evil. It tells people that their lives here on earth, right now, the only life we know we get for sure, is worthless. That there's some better life waiting for them later on. It tells people that the way we treat people in this life doesn't really matter, good, bad, whatever. It doesn't matter because one day you'll have a great life, if you only believe in ancient stories. What this does is prevents people from trying to improve the lives of everyone on this planet, because, oh well, God will sort it all out some day and all will be well. I reject that and I find it harmful.

The point was, those who suffer on earth, if remaining faithful, will be consoled. Whereas, for those who caused the suffering, will pay accordingly - there is both a heaven and a hell.
So, no, obviously, no one is espousing that our actions have no bearing on our future standing with God. But, for those who lament their present circumstances, appreciate the fact that it is not whether you win or lose on earth, but how you play the game that matters, for both the righteous and the wicked.

God hardened his heart. It says right there in the text.

The Bible says a lot of things, and we are all held accountable for our actions irrespective from where the catalyst to our sins originate.

 

[Sand Dancer]

If you kick any verses out of the published text, then you have edited it.

It's a little hard to take all the verses seriously when some contradict others. You have to choose one way or another, which is why there are so many sects, at least of Christianity.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Yes, there were Christians who used the Bible to justify slavery. Still, the abolitionist movement was also promoted by Christians who were using the Bible to end slavery. You still have to give credit where credit is due.

I love the ones who spearheaded that, they are to be applauded.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It's a little hard to take all the verses seriously when some contradict others. You have to choose one way or another, which is why there are so many sects, at least of Christianity.

I do just fine.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I love the ones who are like Jesus, they are to be applauded.

Jesus never said slavery was wrong. We've come a ways since Jesus.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Jesus never said slavery was wrong. We've come a ways since Jesus.

True, he didn't. I reworded my post.

 

[KWED]

Its Faala Laazimun. Which means its ending the sentiment with a qualifier. Like when you say Zahuba Haazaa wadhurabaauhoo or Haazaa Idhriboohunna which means to leave or left.

You're not making any sense.

What does "waidribuhunna" mean, in verse 4:34, in that context, if it does not mean "hit/strike/beat"?
And how do you explain so many bilingually fluent, Muslim translators, as well as renowned classical scholars, and Muhammad himself, getting it wrong and thinking Allah meant "hit/strike/beat"?

 

[firedragon]

What does "waidribuhunna" mean, in verse 4:34, in that context, if it does not mean "hit/strike/beat"?

Its Faala Laazimun. Which means its ending the sentiment with a qualifier. Like when you say Zahuba Haazaa wadhurabaauhoo or Haazaa Idhriboohunna which means to leave or left.

You cant understand that?

And how do you explain so many bilingually fluent, Muslim translators, as well as renowned classical scholars, and Muhammad himself, getting it wrong and thinking Allah meant "hit/strike/beat"?

Lol. Muhammed himself you say? Where do you get his words from mate?

Anyway, I dont think you have the capacity to understand an answer to this question.

Please. Fallacy please. Go ahead.

 

[KWED]

Its Faala Laazimun. Which means its ending the sentiment with a qualifier. Like when you say Zahuba Haazaa wadhurabaauhoo or Haazaa Idhriboohunna which means to leave or left.

You cant understand that?

So according to you, 4:34 says
"But those wives from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], Faala Laazimun."
As I said, that makes no sense.

[quoye]Lol. Muhammed himself you say? Where do you get his words from mate?
[/QUOTE] Have you not read his farewell sermon?

 

[firedragon]

So according to you, 4:34 says
"But those wives from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], Faala Laazimun."
As I said, that makes no sense.

[quoye]Lol. Muhammed himself you say? Where do you get his words from mate?

Have you not read his farewell sermon?[/QUOTE]

Lol. Mate. Faala Laazimun is a grammatical term. Its explaining the grammar of the word in question. So much for such a superior expert.

So you are talking about the farewell sermon. Haha. Okay so you want to discuss that now. So to your question I say "Yes I have".

So what now? Please explain your point with the farewell sermon.