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Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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lewisnotmiller said:
That mistakes are made.
Looking back at historical cases here in Australia is pretty chilling. So if you incarcerate them you drastically reduce their quality of life for a period of time. You kill them, it's a little more permanent.
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True. I can acknowledge that. What if you drive them insane? That is permanent.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Brickjectivity said:
True. I can acknowledge that. What if you drive them insane? That is permanent.
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Agreed. Or perhaps even more often, what about if you incarcerate them and don't properly deal with pre-existing mental conditions? Happens very, very commonly.
Ultimately my comment re: death penalty was just me pointing out a scenario where it differs from incarceration philosophically.
Prison reform is something we would both agree is required (I believe!!)
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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lewisnotmiller said:
Agreed. Or perhaps even more often, what about if you incarcerate them and don't properly deal with pre-existing mental conditions? Happens very, very commonly.
Ultimately my comment re: death penalty was just me pointing out a scenario where it differs from incarceration philosophically.
Prison reform is something we would both agree is required (I believe!!)
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A cousin of mine is incarcerated. Several in his prison recently died of Covid. Parts of the prison are under gang management. There is an investigative article on Reuters about how prison healthcare in the US and how US prisoners die unnecessarily of disease and wait long periods to be seen. The prisons are overcrowded, the courts can't handle all of their cases, the jails are overcrowded, unsafe and people sit in jail for months sometimes waiting for bureaucratic processes before trial. Our constitution states no one may be given cruel or unusual punishment, yet even the process of being tried involves cruelty. I'm thinking that justice needs to be handled differently. I don't know how -- but differently.
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

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The Hammer said:
Fear of difference
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Hating someone who supports the death penalty while you don’t support it is fear of difference.
Try again

Plus the fear of difference that you speak of probably doesn’t have any legs to stand on. Ie hating gays etc. not that mine does either really. But if we can agree on whether or not to end someone’s life maybe we can get past hating someone for being gay a little bit easier as well

I guess it really doesn’t matter anyway hatred is hatred no matter what the reason.

pointless thread
 
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Jimmy

Jimmy

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The Hammer said:
Optimistic viewpoint
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Say a thousand yrs ago when people didn’t have the right to choose if capital punishment was ok or not and now that some do have choices do you think all the hatred from each side has disappeared? In all seriousness I hope it has.

Back then they probably cut your hand off for stealing. So things have gotten better at least in some parts of the world.
 
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Gargovic Malkav

Gargovic Malkav

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Power Stone said:
In my opinion one of the things that divide people the most is the fact that some of us still support the death penalty as a punishment. It may be the single biggest underlying contributor for hatred between people who support the death penalty as punishment and people who don’t. However, I don’t hate people who have different beliefs. I respect their beliefs.
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I don't think the debate of death penalty in itself is the cause of hatred.
I think it's often the fear of what people who aren't like minded can or might do.

Besides that, I think many who are against death penalty would change their mind when they lose their child at the hands of a remorseless serial killer.

Mass hysteria is a good way to fuel hatred as well; lynch mobs don't just kill, they make sure that the (alleged) culprit suffers greatly before it dies.
 
Jimmy

Jimmy

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Gargovic Malkav said:
I don't think the debate of death penalty in itself is the cause of hatred.
I think it's often the fear of what people who aren't like minded can or might do.

Besides that, I think many who are against death penalty would change their mind when they lose their child at the hands of a remorseless serial killer.

Mass hysteria is a good way to fuel hatred as well; lynch mobs don't just kill, they make sure that the (alleged) culprit suffers greatly before it dies.
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Say a thousand yrs ago when people didn’t have the right to choose if capital punishment was ok or not and now that some do have choices do you think all the hatred from each side has disappeared? In all seriousness I hope it has.
It’s easy to stand for something in today’s world, a bit different 1000 yrs ago. So is it material things that make ones beliefs?
No I think those who are against the death penalty would still be against it if their child was killed. Some might change and if they do then their heart was never true anyway.
Well it’s good to see you respect each sides beliefs.Yeah they might have fear of what they can or might do but if they don’t like what they can or might do or are in fact doing things might turn into hatred and ultimately an act unfortunately.
 
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Hermit Philosopher

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Power Stone said:
Just trying to figure out where all the hatred is coming from in the world. I could be wrong. If you have a better idea let us all kno.
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For where hatred comes from...? Not necessarily a “better” idea, but another one; yes.

I see hatred as unaddressed and/or misdirected fear of and/or suffering.

The more suffering we individually contribute to, the more hatred in general there will be.

Hatred imprisons the hater to their own fear and pain, ensuring that they remain victims of their sorrow.


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