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Hatred -- What's Wrong?

6Michael6Bennett6

6Michael6Bennett6

At The Left Hand Ov God
Hatred is usually just regarded as an iniquity. But stop and think - isn't it just natural?
For there to be hatred, there needs to be love; so let's take a second to look at love. Being completely honest with yourself, don't you only REALLY love certain people? The people that you've spent time with and your relationship has grown with are the people that you tend to love.
Then there are other people - the ones who seem to hate you for no reason, and also those who just drain you of your vital energy. Now, still being completely honest with yourself, you don't love them do you? You have natural hate for them, correct
Hate is obviously a natural instinctive behavior, what's so wrong with it?? Why would you spend time fighting your natural instincts and behaviors? Its just not natural. Love is conditional, hate is natural, why try to love those who would spit in your face, given the chance?

Hail Thyself,
-Michael
 
Erebus

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Agreed 100%

Universal love and repressed hatred are both unnatural and counterproductive.
 
Smoke

Smoke

Done here.
We try not to hate hateful people -- Maggie Gallagher springs to mind -- because we don't want to be like them. And because we're all one family.

Note that I say "try." What's worse than hate is pretending to love everybody when you don't.
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
Some of us also have a strong natural urge to consume as much sugar and fat as possible.

That does not make it a healthy choice.
 
6Michael6Bennett6

6Michael6Bennett6

At The Left Hand Ov God
lunamoth said:
Some of us also have a strong natural urge to consume as much sugar and fat as possible.

That does not make it a healthy choice.
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So your saying that even though its natural, that doesn't make it right. Where have you devolped your sense of right and wrong? Because hatred actually seems very healthy. Why would you leave all of your hate to build up within yourself? That makes for a very stressful state.
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
Smoke said:
We try not to hate hateful people -- Maggie Gallagher springs to mind -- because we don't want to be like them. And because we're all one family.

Note that I say "try." What's worse than hate is pretending to love everybody when you don't.
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Well said. As for the last part, I would agree that pretending to love everybody is worse that useless. However, it is still possible to try to sincerely want the best for others, even people we dislike. I would have said 'work for the best for others,' but so often the worst is done when we try to impose what we think is best on others. Sigh.


As Booko would say, sometimes you just have to love them from a distance.
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
6Michael6Bennett6 said:
So your saying that even though its natural, that doesn't make it right. Where have you devolped your sense of right and wrong? Because hatred actually seems very healthy. Why would you leave all of your hate to build up within yourself? That makes for a very stressful state.
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I developed my sense of right and wrong mostly from my parents, whom I love and trust.

I don't see how hatred is healthy. I certainly would not want my hate to build up inside. But, the antidote to hate is not to take it out on others. The antidotes to hate are forgiveness, forbearance, and often, simply getting over oneself.
 
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6Michael6Bennett6

6Michael6Bennett6

At The Left Hand Ov God
lunamoth said:
I developed my sense of right and wrong mostly from my parents, whom I love and trust.

I don't see how hatred is healthy. I certainly would not want my hate to build up inside. But, the antidote to hate is not to take it out on others. The antidotes to hate are forgiveness, forbearance, and often, simply getting over oneself.
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These people that you would hate would most likely have ticked you off. Why forgive them then? How are they benefitting your life? I'm not saying to take it out on others, I'm talking about feeling hate; its regarded as an iniquity to feel hate. Outlets for your hate can be whatever you choose.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
True hatred is not what most people practice. What they call hatred is actually just a strong dislike or disgust. True hatred is what caused the Holocaust- blind true hatred. All the horrible things that happened to blacks before The Civil Rights movement (and after, too). Hatred is what causes gays to be beaten up. I call it blind hatred, since no one really knows the true reason they are harming another person.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It seems to me hate is a product of consciousness and consciousness is a product of subject / object perception.
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
6Michael6Bennett6 said:
These people that you would hate would most likely have ticked you off. Why forgive them then? How are they benefitting your life? I'm not saying to take it out on others, I'm talking about feeling hate; its regarded as an iniquity to feel hate. Outlets for your hate can be whatever you choose.
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Hate is a habit. Indulging it or harboring it does not alleviate it, but can beget more hate.

Forgiveness, putting down the hate, is like setting down a burden. It is healthy for the forgiver.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Hatred binds the hater as much as (or more than) the object of her hatred. I'm a selfish creature. Indulging in strong feelings, particularly the unpleasant ones (anger, hate, jealousy, self-loathing, etc.) is injurious to my own sense of well-being. That doesn't mean feelings of hatred never arise, only that I try not to cling to them as they naturally fade. Take Bush and Blair for example - sometimes I hate them, sometimes I pity them. I hate what they've done, of course, unwaveringly, but they did it only because they are lost and foolish. How sad it is to watch Blair's guilty conscience provoke him to try to build bridges between Christians and Muslims. He is a clown: his motives, while they may be hidden from him, are transparent to us. What a sorry life he leads.
 
Thesavorofpan

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
6Michael6Bennett6 said:
Hatred is usually just regarded as an iniquity. But stop and think - isn't it just natural?
For there to be hatred, there needs to be love; so let's take a second to look at love. Being completely honest with yourself, don't you only REALLY love certain people? The people that you've spent time with and your relationship has grown with are the people that you tend to love.
Then there are other people - the ones who seem to hate you for no reason, and also those who just drain you of your vital energy. Now, still being completely honest with yourself, you don't love them do you? You have natural hate for them, correct
Hate is obviously a natural instinctive behavior, what's so wrong with it?? Why would you spend time fighting your natural instincts and behaviors? Its just not natural. Love is conditional, hate is natural, why try to love those who would spit in your face, given the chance?

Hail Thyself,
-Michael
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Just because it's a natural instinctive behavior does it make it right? What kind of actions does Hate produce? What goes through your mind when you hate someone? Kind thoughts? Helpful thoughts? Caring thoughts? No the thoughts that go through your mind is hurtful thoughts. Now tell me how is hurtful thoughts a good thing to society?
 
K

Kerr

Well-Known Member
6Michael6Bennett6 said:
Hatred is usually just regarded as an iniquity. But stop and think - isn't it just natural?
For there to be hatred, there needs to be love; so let's take a second to look at love. Being completely honest with yourself, don't you only REALLY love certain people? The people that you've spent time with and your relationship has grown with are the people that you tend to love.
Then there are other people - the ones who seem to hate you for no reason, and also those who just drain you of your vital energy. Now, still being completely honest with yourself, you don't love them do you? You have natural hate for them, correct
Hate is obviously a natural instinctive behavior, what's so wrong with it?? Why would you spend time fighting your natural instincts and behaviors? Its just not natural. Love is conditional, hate is natural, why try to love those who would spit in your face, given the chance?

Hail Thyself,
-Michael
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There is nothing wrong with hate, it is entirely natural. But that said, it has an ability to cloud ones judgment. So, while I do not consider it wrong or unnatural, I consider it wise to be careful with it.
 
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