Have half of the US lost their minds?

[Father Heathen]

In as much as your statement seemed disjointed, I asked for application. If you don't want to answer that... well...

What do you want applied, and what do you want it applied to?

 

[Nimos]

Ok.... I understand.

I do approach it differently (not that your way is wrong... we are just different).

I view it as, "Politics is still politics even if Covid is the impetus. If CDC can vacillate and even doctors have different viewpoints, how can I make my personal decisions no matter who is in charge? If government basically hardly every does things right and certainly at the least not efficiently, what am I to do?".

So I go into personal responsibility because I know that basically most all information is internet accessible and I simply take a decision for the direction for my life. Pray for the government but take personal responsibility.

Guidelines are jut that, guidelines, but hardly encompass every situation. An assembly line still has to be an assembly line and social distancing on an assembly line is next to impossible. So I take the necessary precautions but continue living.

I think, I get what you are saying.

But to me handling a pandemic is slightly different than handling common politics, because you are more directly guiding people towards something on a large scale within a scene of a lot of unknowns to the majority of people.

What i mean is that its easier to have an opinion about whether increasing or removing a given tax is right or wrong, depending on what politicians tell you, and even if you are betting on the wrong horse, it probably doesn't mean life or death in the end

But governments shouldn't play political "games" with a pandemic, as it could mean life or death for a lot of people and it already have. Then its time for them to grow up and put politics aside for a short period of time and listen to reason and data which are gathered to the best of our knowledge by those that knows about these things.

Clearly economic growth and having a job is important as well, but then the politicians should work on a solution to that, while dealing with the crisis. And this is not only the US, there have been undercover videos released from Russia, which shows a completely different image of what is going on there, with dead people lying in their beds next to sick people, hospitals not able to take on patients and a system clearly running on maximum or above maximum capacity. All "hidden" from the world, because it obviously gives off a bad image.

To me there is no excuses, ordinary people like us and the majority need to be able to trust our governments, if we can't things end in chaos with wild theories and people not having a clue what to do.

So the same when Trump go out and ask if people can inject WC cleaner or what it was into the body and later on say it was a joke. What the hell man? Fine if he is as stupid as he sound, but clearly he can't be in such position, if he is so stupid that he can't manage to ask his advisors before going on live TV. This is insanity if you ask me. There are lots of capable people able to answer these question and give the best possible advice to us, so don't bring up people that know absolutely nothing about this, because they have a feeling that as politicians they know slightly better than everyone else.

And this have nothing to do with whether a person is a republican or not, it's about common sense.

Don't get me wrong, I get what you are saying, but people need to move past this and demand solutions and guidance from the government that they can trust. And by solution, I don't mean to downplay the pandemic and just tell people to go back to work, its to find a way for people to not lose everything while dealing with a pandemic out of control.

 

[Kenny]

But governments shouldn't play political "games" with a pandemic, as it could mean life or death for a lot of people and it already have. Then its time for them to grow up and put politics aside for a short period of time and listen to reason and data which are gathered to the best of our knowledge by those that knows about these things.

Clearly economic growth and having a job is important as well, but then the politicians should work on a solution to that, while dealing with the crisis. ...

To me there is no excuses, ordinary people like us and the majority need to be able to trust our governments, if we can't things end in chaos with wild theories and people not having a clue what to do.

...

And this have nothing to do with whether a person is a republican or not, it's about common sense.

Don't get me wrong, I get what you are saying, but people need to move past this and demand solutions and guidance from the government that they can trust. And by solution, I don't mean to downplay the pandemic and just tell people to go back to work, its to find a way for people to not lose everything while dealing with a pandemic out of control.

I couldn't agree more!!!

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's why we need to desperately fix this kool-ade drinking and bootlicking problem that's killing our country. If we truly want to make America great again, we have to embrace science and critical thinking.

Common sense as well.

 

[metis]

You mean the people who voted for Biden?

Report: Hunter's Laptop Contained Phone Numbers for the Clintons and Explicit Photos

"Hunter Biden’s reported hard drive could just be the tip of the iceberg with regard to information that could compromise his father.

The younger Biden reportedly engaged in unethical business practices by shopping his willing father’s name to the Chinese and others."


What I always wonder is how people can look at CNN and actually call it news

I'd be very careful believing in what you may read in the Western Journal:
The Western Journal, previously known as Western Journalism, is an American conservative[1] news and political website based in Phoenix, Arizona. The site was founded by political consultant Floyd Brown in 2008...

Western Journalism previously stated it featured "conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters"[8] and seeks to provide "God-honoring" content.[4] In practice, according to the New York Times, this philosophy, in which "tradition-minded patriots face ceaseless assault by anti-Christian bigots, diseased migrants and race hustlers concocting hate crimes," results in "a torrent of sensationalized, misleading, or entirely made-up stories, often aimed at Muslims and immigrants."[6] Because of negative rulings by fact-checking sites and user trust surveys, Western Journalism was blacklisted by Google and Apple News, and by 2017 its Facebook traffic declined to near zero.[6]-- The Western Journal - Wikipedia

 

[Father Heathen]

I'd be very careful believing in what you may read in the Western Journal:
The Western Journal, previously known as Western Journalism, is an American conservative[1] news and political website based in Phoenix, Arizona. The site was founded by political consultant Floyd Brown in 2008...

Western Journalism previously stated it featured "conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters"[8] and seeks to provide "God-honoring" content.[4] In practice, according to the New York Times, this philosophy, in which "tradition-minded patriots face ceaseless assault by anti-Christian bigots, diseased migrants and race hustlers concocting hate crimes," results in "a torrent of sensationalized, misleading, or entirely made-up stories, often aimed at Muslims and immigrants."[6] Because of negative rulings by fact-checking sites and user trust surveys, Western Journalism was blacklisted by Google and Apple News, and by 2017 its Facebook traffic declined to near zero.[6]-- The Western Journal - Wikipedia

Wow. Another trough of rw swill. What a shock.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Because of negative rulings by fact-checking sites and user trust surveys, Western Journalism was blacklisted by Google and Apple News, and by 2017 its Facebook traffic declined to near zero.[6]-- The Western Journal - Wikipedia

That's scary. Google and Apple have far too much power to censor, and for banal political reasons. It's disgusting when governments or corporations do it.

 

[pearl]

As to Trump, as @Revoltingest repeatedly points out, he's on his way out, and nothing that the increasingly bizarre Giuliani does is going to change that. In fact, I think I'm beginning to fall in with @Revoltingest and think, "be patient...it'll play out the way it's designed to."

Since Trump has lost in the courts, the next move is to obstruct the Electoral College. The republican senate has been busy in these last days by confirming several federal judges, ages in their thirties and forties, these are lifetime appointments.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

It goes back to the repeal of The Fairness Doctrine where: "holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was—in the FCC's view—honest, equitable, and balanced. "

FCC fairness doctrine - Wikipedia

This in concert with President Bill Clinton's deregulation of broadcast media in The Telecommunications Act of 1996 resulted in News in America becoming a for profit enterprise instead of being a public service.

Telecommunications Act of 1996 - Wikipedia.

In short, Americans are able to choose information according to their bias and easily avoid news that is emotionally uncomfortable. If an individual does not trust science, they can find multiple "News" outlets to reinforce this distrust. Even during a pandemic.

This would not be possible if The Fairness Doctrine had not been revoked, and if broadcast news companies were limited in size preventing them from being used for propaganda.

This is an excellent, helpful, and very informative answer, thank you.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

More concerning it also reveals how much underlying racism there is in the US that did not come to the surface until there was a leader that would sanction it - Trump.

Have you heard people say he’s refreshing because he’s not a “politician” and doesn’t have a filter?

Think about that. So for millions of Americans, Trump was just saying out loud all the bigoted stuff they were thinking? This is telling.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

People used to be proud to be American. I just don't sense that anymore, except from the ones who are deluded.

You know, it’s interesting. I am actually even more proud today than I was before of the basic values that I consider to be “American” (this is not to say these values are exclusively American). The 40% or so who have sold out those values - and yes, I realize that is a lot - they are the ones who should be ashamed. Not me.

I’m proud as ever to oppose bigotry and xenophobia and as sure as ever that these are basic American values. Watching 40% of the country forget this has only made me more confident.

Trump lost. He only won in the first place by the tiniest of margins. He should have won re-election based on the underlying fact pattern of an incumbent in a good economy (notwithstanding COVID) during a national crisis. The fact that he lost shows America, by a decisive though not total majority, rejected Trump’s values once they got to know him better. I wish Trump had lost by more, but he did lose. The same America that elected our first black president, has examined, and decisively rejected, Trump’s brand of bigotry and bullying.

Why should I feel ashamed to be an American? I’m as proud as ever. Those in Trumpworld are the ones who should be ashamed. The leaders of the Trump Party ought to be ashamed for not standing up to him and allowing the Party of Lincoln to be so horribly mutated.