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Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?
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Thana
Lady
You're quite rude, I don't appreciate it and if you continue I won't bother replying.
As to the scripture you quoted, The bible also says for slaves to obey their masters. Without cultural understanding and common sense you'll never grasp the bible. It was written a long time ago, And let's not forget that the majority of women have only been treated equally for less than 200 years, compared to more than 2000 years ago that the bible was written.
Greatest I am
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And your church continues to deny women equality and follow an immoral creed.
Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.
Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
As above so below.
If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?
Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?
That is what a good God would do.
Regards
DL
But wasn't Demiurge none other than the God of the Old Testament? Do Kabalahists worship the Demiurge then?
nazz
Doubting Thomas
don't need any
nazz
Doubting Thomas
"Basic Beliefs of a True Gnostic" is an oxymoron. Gnosis is knowledge, not belief. I do not believe in God. I know God.
You are free to believe whatever you like. You do not speak for all gnostics.
Greatest I am
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No. What they were selling was too complicated for the Christians and Jews and that is likely why it died out.
From what I can see, the demiurge was just our equivalent to Christianity's Satan, --- before we evolved enough to understand that it is evolution that is responsible for human to human evil and not some invisible spook.
These are all just characters within myths and should not be transposed from one myth to the other although we can compare their roles.
I would like to ask you the same question I asked Razz. Have you formed a creed as of yet?
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
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How do you define your Gnostic beliefs?
If you have none, how can you call yourself a Gnostic Christian?
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
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nazz
Doubting Thomas
I don't
Like all people I have beliefs. but I distinguish between belief and knowledge (gnosis)
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Show a couple of examples of knowledge and your beliefs then
Gnostics have been accused of being hard to understand. As a Gnostic Christian I try to be quite clear and find it easy to do so.
Your labelling yourself a Gnostic Christian without a creed gives others ammunition against us.
Do not fear trying to be clear.
Regards
DL
nazz
Doubting Thomas
I've already given an example of knowledge--I know God. That is to say I have a direct experiential knowledge of God (that's what it means to be a Gnostic). OTOH, I believe the South Pole exists because people have told me it does and I have no reason to doubt them. But I have no direct experiential knowledge of it.
Yes, the Valentinians have their own creed.
There seems to be a difference between knowledge and belief, as always, seems to me.
Sometimes knowledge is lacking in accuracy and belief is lacking in foundation.
It seems to depend on sources from where the knowledge is obtained,
and from where the beliefs are centered, as there are too many 'gods',
but one true God, in which I'm told to believe, so says the three major religions.
The problem is with this satan that roams around the bowels of the earth.
It only comes to the surface when there's evil to be done, or according to the Gnostics, good.
Cheeeeesssewwweeee...that makes little sense...it's why I don't believe any of you.
Fairy tales and mythological clap trap, reality is the fleeting path of the 'now'.
It's gone before one can see it coming or going, grab it when you can, it'll be gone instantly.
But go on and believe in your so called knowledge or beliefs, as I think you will,
but I bet that the devils and angels will win, your all missing the 'now' of everything.
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nuff stuff
'mud
Sometimes knowledge is lacking in accuracy and belief is lacking in foundation.
It seems to depend on sources from where the knowledge is obtained,
and from where the beliefs are centered, as there are too many 'gods',
but one true God, in which I'm told to believe, so says the three major religions.
The problem is with this satan that roams around the bowels of the earth.
It only comes to the surface when there's evil to be done, or according to the Gnostics, good.
Cheeeeesssewwweeee...that makes little sense...it's why I don't believe any of you.
Fairy tales and mythological clap trap, reality is the fleeting path of the 'now'.
It's gone before one can see it coming or going, grab it when you can, it'll be gone instantly.
But go on and believe in your so called knowledge or beliefs, as I think you will,
but I bet that the devils and angels will win, your all missing the 'now' of everything.
~
nuff stuff
'mud
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Apotheosis. I too clam one. I hope your pleasure and pain was not too bad. I was given a message or direction of thinking after my paradigm was confirmed. I was chastised to think more demographically.
What insight, other than the existence of God did you get? I am assuming here that we shared about the same experience. Mine showed the Godhead to be a cosmic consciousness though that was not a creator God. That is why I went to Gnosticism as it has no supernatural component.
I was 39 when I was able to push my apotheosis. How old were you?
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
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Greatest I am
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Perhaps you do not quite understand Gnostic Christianity in the sense that we do not believe in a Satan. We do not believe in anything supernatural. That is why our religion is based on Gnosis of personal insight and knowledge. We are perpetual seekers and set aside whatever we find to continue the seeking.
Try to put us in the perspective I show with Divine Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as well as these two clips.
The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized.
This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
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Why not?
As a non-misogynistic religion that give full equality to women and gays, we are already a more moral religion than the mainstream religions.
Regards
DL