We'll never know, will we?
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Hawking still making news.. haunting creationism.
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We'll never know, will we?
Shad
Veteran Member
Nope as there is no action, no thought. God as a mathematical principle is an empty assertion of philosophy
This is just thought magic.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think it just means we live in a continuum. A state of constant flux.
Which argument for God?
Shad
Veteran Member
God being beyond time.
No, you didn't.
Theology isn't a science. It's a branch of philosophy. I suppose anyone could be a theologian or philosopher but that doesn't mean they're good at it. We can all offer our thoughts on the nature of things, but that doesn't make us Plato or Socrates. Knowledge and formal training in the area does count for something.
PuerAzaelis
Unknown Friend
It's a definition of "eternity". The real term for an infinite duration within time is "sempiternity". By definition an omniscient being is beyond time, the same way that a person in an art gallery is beyond the time of the painting he is observing.
If only someone would give us a definition of "God" useful to reasoned enquiry, maybe we could get somewhere with the question. Until then ...
Tomas Kindahl
... out on my Odyssé — again!
Actually, that's an empty statement in itself, and as such just metaphysics — which should be forbidden according to the Atheist faith.
You achieve level 4 on a scale of Graham's hierarchy of disagreement:
Since God defies definition in human language that doesn't seem probable. Hawking has his final answer, with no way of communicating it.
The trouble with God defying meaningful definition is that to speak of God is not to know what you're talking about.
Tomas Kindahl
... out on my Odyssé — again!
Probably any workable definition of 'God' must also not include the all quantifier, in order to avoid being nonsential.
Shad
Veteran Member
Nonsense.
Nope. I refuted the central point by pointing out the inability to commit an action without time ergo the beyond time claim.
Shad
Veteran Member
No as eternity is still time related.
Again these are just time references not being beyond time. More so this establish it is still restricted by time itself as it can not go out the boundaries of it. The only difference is the ability to navigate time differently than we can currently. God is a tardis.
Shad
Veteran Member
Yes as there no action, no thought, no process from point A to point B.
Shad
Veteran Member
An idea based on views predating modern physics. If God is all this means space-time is part of God thus God has a restriction just as we have restriction if not as major as our own. Ergo not beyond time.
Until there is. Strict non-dualism reconciles contradictions. All this stuff has already been thought about by people smarter than I or you.
Craig Sedok
Member
Like the tome. Actions are louder than words. It was called work. That is why we exist. Plethora, Island, Hasbro, and even the land of the Lost. Artur was the only Hawkwing. Creator. A round table of carved legs. Hah, if there was ever a big bang it surely blew up before that chariot of a visionary of science walked up to that table. I do not believe in science. I am science. Map tis the boundary of thought.